From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 619CD81AA8; Sun, 8 Feb 2026 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1770588254; cv=none; b=E9Vf7UvO2PZf3DXmA21lBMoILMM9R4EajpEyEWkyU3nj2GYYwksE9HS/GsylT7l/uKU/lFawqGjcnLoXqP0TnnNyRgngMgWLU6xS8VHLVB1OnDsBhTiN4meYS6cygruB2xD/jGTyASK7zk3w9wVR28flO/XAus+DQUZXBcdRfgw= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1770588254; c=relaxed/simple; bh=IiwCFqyKO+t0vzNixCT9hBcaIk3PdYX4GO74wz6Fexs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=WXCtCTEaMSsvwZyPgwHSCCaKeUTA3UZT6wsS8f/s6Po58ycZwCMcLmuOBSRVq+w8aIHSUSCIrAXN0OZPmhhsEOzPhf1LuKQfuLsleVPM7GHoYJwNyuIfHCYzZXdTAI1ZENa7qiYPDjbdIwzwToOFOhzdXIhitXdDe3H7whysNQs= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=JsO8QC7z; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="JsO8QC7z" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B70F6C4CEF7; Sun, 8 Feb 2026 22:04:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1770588253; bh=IiwCFqyKO+t0vzNixCT9hBcaIk3PdYX4GO74wz6Fexs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=JsO8QC7ztgwZQszM0moH9yrSrUSX1d9y2jfI/ncC/U4vbBRoAZ0bOokDSuq1UqzSV s6hu5HRMZYNficfOJpojoMJYb6ByGjIC3ZA0gpSxSxk3+5ApJ8TOpeXNKkSH5SzCCf j048bt+WkzXFFtUKvNDMtemK77W2DxPGt4TcXXg8HIeUCfQJpBG7Fc7SCKFJvIxL4+ bo/EyRoRLAupQQRTj6/tpR/tKyDnm+7gweQtzjS+r2ilYlUeDwwEEC+PgQWoaWxzeN WgxMirOk9bfkejG9T/LYE5ds3JEvTcsJY9csffSLhzsvLJ3hCQq9ANEmUpqxJugfFF 9GTf2Nb68fSmQ== Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2026 23:04:10 +0100 From: Alejandro Colomar To: Carlos O'Donell Cc: "Andries E. Brouwer" , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: man-pages-6.14 released Message-ID: References: <20250509112627.GA924923@if> <20250509121454.GA952723@if> <3e82680d-149c-4a67-b838-bc73c0be3e4e@redhat.com> <42dad79f-e0f2-4731-ac14-0189f5d278a0@redhat.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tj454wr5bqwr4esn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --tj454wr5bqwr4esn Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Carlos O'Donell Cc: "Andries E. Brouwer" , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: man-pages-6.14 released Message-ID: References: <20250509112627.GA924923@if> <20250509121454.GA952723@if> <3e82680d-149c-4a67-b838-bc73c0be3e4e@redhat.com> <42dad79f-e0f2-4731-ac14-0189f5d278a0@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Hi Carlos, On 2025-06-27T01:14:47+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > Hi Carlos, >=20 > On Thu, Jun 26, 2025 at 07:01:24PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > > > Well, we got express permission for a third of the copyright holders = in > > > the last few months. Also, we got no express notices in the contrary, > > > so around two thirds have remained silent. > >=20 > > You should track down the copyright holders and get written approval, > > or restore the copyright notices. > >=20 > > This is exactly the difficulty in maintaining such written notices. > >=20 > > And why they are no longer recommended. > >=20 > > > We could restore those that haven't expressely granted permission... > >=20 > > Yes please. > >=20 > > May I suggest doing a new release with the copyrights restored? > >=20 > > > The thing is, as someone else mentioned, removals happen also implici= tly > > > by moving text from one page to another and not copying copyright > > > notices, so how much does it matter an intentional rewrite of the > > > copyright notices into a different form (but which keeps their > > > copyright, as part of the AUTHORS file), compared to an unintentional > > > removal of copyright by moving the text (these do actually remove > > > copyright, so these are the problematic ones). > >=20 > > Both are legally mistakes. > >=20 > > The common utterance is "As compliance approaches 100% cost approaches > > infinity" :-) > >=20 > > However, you should not deny anyone the right to have their copyright > > directly noted in the file, but you can encourage the generic use of > > "Copyright the Foo Authors." You can deny the contribution entirely if > > you wish on grounds that maintaining copyright statements is too much > > work. >=20 > Sure, if anyone explicitly wants to retain a copyright notice, I'll do > so (if it was old), or refuse to accept the patch (if it is new). >=20 > > > By rewriting the copyright notices, we'd actually be honoring the > > > copyright, even when text is moved from page to page. I think that is > > > more important. And since all explicit notices have granted us > > > permission, even if some have remained silent (in some cases, their > > > email probably isn't monitored anymore), I think we should go forward. > >=20 > > I agree, but you need permission from the authors. > >=20 > > I disagree that man-pages should go forward with the current changes. > >=20 > > May you please restore the copyright notices and cut a new release? >=20 > Hmmm, it'll take some time. I need to stop and compare the both lists, > which are rather long. I don't promise it will happen soon, but I'll > keep it in a TODO list. I'll also try to do it at least after > September, when I'll be meeting Michael in person, where I'll ask him > about his copyright notices (which represent a huge percentage of the > copyright notice lines). That will reduce the work significantly. > So, it might happen around the end of this year. I have finished working on this. I've restored old copyright notices =66rom contributors (individuals and otherwise) who have not expressed content with the unified notices. I've pushed to a branch for now: I'll work on the new release for the next few days, and will include that commit in the release. Have a lovely night! Alex >=20 > Once I start doing that, I'll do another round of asking the remaining > people about their copyright notices. Hopefully, there'l l be few of > them. >=20 >=20 > Have a lovely day! > Alex >=20 > --=20 > --=20 --tj454wr5bqwr4esn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEES7Jt9u9GbmlWADAi64mZXMKQwqkFAmmJCFoACgkQ64mZXMKQ wqnq0xAAtTKzocqdU3XXlV8FbwHo/zEBazBQgZ/sTqGiPYA2hrCkVLvU0Wlqfp08 D6SDEBFHWUIo0RGbbmsOmJ+KDYw0nJ82VhpeVwiKh12YOPS2Pb5ryKdJzDzXXa1C F/L/um4vwcA2w++3DOVW3FBwXnpEvfbIJEf8gnP30coAGRqJvARbg5yCiFuRNal3 Ry6aTW50gYm0YyXcspY5RNXtyesPUsh1uf3fKJboZk6sCxpTvmgdwbzEMLpJqt9a 8VGv7rLSXPeHf/AcEo3XnaPiPUVUAr0TV6waEeze7IXw5/X8LNdAut8HLV5uEDQQ Rd3wGpjD80fCxrVnPdp5vNl6clRbz5jxx/2kRbtSpa0xLX+ZC3hInwzC+VgsxKmk wFTyFFwaj1POGG5C6rAr+UaJqVN5ywdoKJSnjrQzFeMc3a3Jm24X3b0xQWMS/kAX Ugdq9Oe+D3+dgYFZNSkNpq1ol/GBraga/R+Y8mze5A5F9CgPmaIKIIj/Ys4hWKGW +4otuo2tFfeVqsEpECi0toj93vd1SwI16ErjCLvN2vTDwVs7ouWZo0umcaww5h1R glM9sHOEU9kO3SdrbwzkM0tE1CgKsqZt4DkjNFHPvpFcjAOWJ9Zg8xvGNGiN5MDX 0zIsWkMAUqnEqfrbNOmMLWhvONQHuXAyS3Ke2NFwJeMW9CUUc0I= =p/EB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tj454wr5bqwr4esn--