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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] KVM: nSVM: Sync next_rip to cached vmcb12 after VMRUN of L2
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2026 16:39:28 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYvPwH8JcRItaQRI@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mxn6y6og34ejncnsvdapcoep4ewcnwnheszhwkp2undkqcu5zv@bpmseexuug5z>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > > We can drop it and make it a local vaiable in nested_svm_vmrun(), and
> > > plumb it all the way down. But it could be too big for the stack.
> > 
> > It's 48 bytes, there's no way that's too big.
> 
> That's before my hardening series shoved everything in there. It's now
> 256 bytes, which is not huge, but makes me nervous. Especially that it
> may grow more in the future.
> 
> > > Allocating it every time isn't nice either.
> > 
> > > Do you mean to also make it opaque?
> > 
> > I'd prefer to drop it.
> 
> Me too, but I am nervous about putting it on the stack.

256 bytes should be tolerable.  500+ is where things tend to get dicey.

> > > > +       u8 __vmcb12_ctrl[sizeof(struct vmcb_ctrl_area_cached)];
> > > 
> > > We have a lot of accesses to svm->nested.ctl, so we'll need a lot of
> > > clutter to cast the field in all of these places.
> > > 
> > > Maybe we add a read-only accessor that returns a pointer to a constant
> > > struct?
> > 
> > That's what I said :-D
> > 
> > 	* All reads are routed through accessors to make it all but impossible
> > 	* for KVM to clobber its snapshot of vmcb12.
> > 
> > There might be a lot of helpers, but I bet it's less than nVMX has for vmcs12.
> 
> Oh I meant instead of having a lot of helpers, have a single helper that
> returns it as a pointer to const struct vmcb_ctrl_area_cached? Then all
> current users just switch to the helper instead of directly using
> svm->nested.ctl.
> 
> We can even name it sth more intuitive like svm_cached_vmcb12_control().

That makes it to easy to do something like:


	u32 *int_ctl = svm_cached_vmcb12_control(xxx).

	*int_ctl |= xxx;

Which is what I want to defend against.

> > > I think this will be annoying when new fields are added, like
> > > insn_bytes. Perhaps at some point we move to just serializing the entire
> > > combined vmcb02/vmcb12 control area and add a flag for that.
> > 
> > If we do it now, can we avoid the flag?
> 
> I don't think so. Fields like insn_bytes are not currently serialized at
> all. The moment we need them, we'll probably need to add a flag, at
> which point serializing everything under the flag would probably be the
> sane thing to do.
> 
> That being said, I don't really know how a KVM that uses insn_bytes
> should handle restoring from an older KVM that doesn't serialize it :/
> 
> Problem for the future, I guess :)

Oh, good point.  In that case, I think it makes sense to add the flag asap, so
that _if_ it turns out that KVM needs to consume a field that isn't currently
saved/restored, we'll at least have a better story for KVM's that save/restore
everything.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-11  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-10  0:54 [PATCH 0/4] KVM: nSVM: Fix save/restore of next_rip & int_state Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-10  0:54 ` [PATCH 1/4] KVM: nSVM: Sync next_rip to cached vmcb12 after VMRUN of L2 Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-10  1:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 16:25     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-10 19:20       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 22:19         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-11  0:09           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  0:27             ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-11  0:39               ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-02-11  1:02                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-21  0:03                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-21  9:11                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-23 16:59                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-23 17:21                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-23 20:23                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10  0:54 ` [PATCH 2/4] KVM: nSVM: Sync int_state " Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-10  0:54 ` [PATCH 3/4] KVM: selftests: Extend state_test to check vGIF Yosry Ahmed
2026-02-10  0:54 ` [PATCH 4/4] KVM: selftests: Extend state_test to check next_rip Yosry Ahmed

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