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From: Nicolas Schier <nsc@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>
Cc: "Nathan Chancellor" <nathan@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 15/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2026 17:14:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aZ3OfJJSJgfOb0rJ@levanger> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06054e9a-2b7a-4063-98b8-7d6c539e543f@t-8ch.de>

On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 10:43:30PM +0100, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> On 2026-02-23 19:41:52+0100, Nicolas Schier wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 08:53:29AM +0100, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> > > On 2026-02-21 22:38:29+0100, Nicolas Schier wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 01:28:59PM +0100, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
[...]
> > > > [...]
> > > > > diff --git a/scripts/modules-merkle-tree.c b/scripts/modules-merkle-tree.c
> > > > > new file mode 100644
> > > > > index 000000000000..a6ec0e21213b
> > > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > > +++ b/scripts/modules-merkle-tree.c
> > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,467 @@
> > > > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
> > > > > +/*
> > > > > + * Compute hashes for modules files and build a merkle tree.
> > > > > + *
> > > > > + * Copyright (C) 2025 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>
> > > > > + * Copyright (C) 2025 Thomas Weißschuh <linux@weissschuh.net>
> > > > > + *
> > > > > + */
> > > > > +#define _GNU_SOURCE 1
> > > > > +#include <arpa/inet.h>
> > > > > +#include <err.h>
> > > > > +#include <unistd.h>
> > > > > +#include <fcntl.h>
> > > > > +#include <stdarg.h>
> > > > > +#include <stdio.h>
> > > > > +#include <string.h>
> > > > > +#include <stdbool.h>
> > > > > +#include <stdlib.h>
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#include <sys/stat.h>
> > > > > +#include <sys/mman.h>
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#include <openssl/evp.h>
> > > > > +#include <openssl/err.h>
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#include "ssl-common.h"
> > > > > +
> > > > > +static int hash_size;
> > > > > +static EVP_MD_CTX *ctx;
> > > > > +
> > > > > +struct module_signature {
> > > > > +	uint8_t		algo;		/* Public-key crypto algorithm [0] */
> > > > > +	uint8_t		hash;		/* Digest algorithm [0] */
> > > > > +	uint8_t		id_type;	/* Key identifier type [PKEY_ID_PKCS7] */
> > > > > +	uint8_t		signer_len;	/* Length of signer's name [0] */
> > > > > +	uint8_t		key_id_len;	/* Length of key identifier [0] */
> > > > > +	uint8_t		__pad[3];
> > > > > +	uint32_t	sig_len;	/* Length of signature data */
> > > > > +};
> > > > > +
> > > > > +#define PKEY_ID_MERKLE 3
> > > > > +
> > > > > +static const char magic_number[] = "~Module signature appended~\n";
> > > > 
> > > > This here will be the forth definition of struct module_signature,
> > > > increasing the risk of unwanted diversion.  I second Petr's suggestion
> > > > to reuse a _common_ definition instead.
> > > 
> > > Ack.
> > > 
> > > > (Here, even include/linux/module_signature.h could be included itself.)
> > > 
> > > I'd like to avoid including internal headers from other components.
> > > We could move it to an UAPI header. Various other subsystems use those
> > > for not-really-UAPI but still ABI definitions.
> > 
> > Yeah, ack.
> 
> What exactly is the 'ack' for?
> * Avoiding to include internal headers?
> * Moving the definition to UAPI headers?

ah, sorry.  I think reduction of duplicated definitions is good; moving
these definitions to UAPI headers sounds like a valid compromise to me.


> (...)
> 
> > > > Can you verify if I get the mechanics roughly correct?
> > > > 
> > > >   * Modules are merkle tree leaves.  Modules are built and logically
> > > >     paired by the order from modules.order; a single left-over module is
> > > >     paired with itself.
> > > > 
> > > >   * Hashes of paired modules are hashed again (branch node hash);
> > > >     hashes of pairs of branch nodes' hashes are hashed again;
> > > >     repeat until we reach the single merkle tree root hash
> > > > 
> > > >   * The final merkle tree root hash (and the count of tree levels) is
> > > >     included in vmlinux
> > > 
> > > The merkle tree code was written by Sebastian so he will have the best
> > > knowledge about it. But this is also my understanding.
> > 
> > I'd like to see some (rough) description in Documentation or in a commit
> > message at least, otherwise future me will have to ask that again.
> 
> Ack in general. I'd prefer to document it in a source code comment,
> though. That feels like the best fit to me.

Great, thanks.

-- 
Nicolas

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-24 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-13 12:28 [PATCH v4 00/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] module: Only declare set_module_sig_enforced when CONFIG_MODULE_SIG=y Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] powerpc/ima: Drop unnecessary check for CONFIG_MODULE_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:43   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06  8:25   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:11   ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] ima: efi: Drop unnecessary check for CONFIG_MODULE_SIG/CONFIG_KEXEC_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:49   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06  8:25   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:11   ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] module: Make mod_verify_sig() static Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:53   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06  8:25   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:12   ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] module: Switch load_info::len to size_t Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06  8:18   ` David Howells
2026-02-06  8:34     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06  8:30   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-06  8:38     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06  8:55       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-06  9:09   ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-06  9:18     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] kbuild: add stamp file for vmlinux BTF data Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 16:28   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:36   ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11 12:58     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] kbuild: generate module BTF based on vmlinux.unstripped Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 16:37   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-20  9:29   ` Fwd: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-20 16:55     ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-02-23  7:40       ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] module: Deduplicate signature extraction Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-27 15:20   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:41     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] module: Make module loading policy usable without MODULE_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-10 22:01   ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11 12:59     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] module: Move integrity checks into dedicated function Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:09   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 22:06   ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] module: Move lockdown check into generic module loader Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:14   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] module: Move signature splitting up Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-29 14:41   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:42     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] module: Report signature type to users Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-29 14:44   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:44     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] lockdown: Make the relationship to MODULE_SIG a dependency Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:32   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 14:56   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-01-30 17:06   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:55     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 17:12       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-19 14:27       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-03 12:19   ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:59     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-11  1:18     ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-21 21:38   ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-23  7:53     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-23 18:41       ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-23 21:43         ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-24 16:14           ` Nicolas Schier [this message]
2026-03-11  1:12   ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11  8:50     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-11 13:19     ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-11 21:14       ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:29 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] kbuild: move handling of module stripping to Makefile.lib Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:29 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] kbuild: make CONFIG_MODULE_HASHES compatible with module stripping Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-31  7:36 ` [PATCH v4 00/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Mihai-Drosi Câju
2026-02-01 16:22   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-01 17:09   ` David Howells
2026-02-01 20:12     ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-02  9:21       ` David Howells
2026-02-02 18:30         ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-02 18:38           ` David Howells
2026-02-02 18:47             ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-03  8:18     ` James Bottomley
2026-02-03  8:22       ` David Howells

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