From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>, Juri Lelli <jlelli@redhat.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, Tomas Glozar <tglozar@redhat.com>,
Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>,
linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 14/16] sched_ext: Export task_is_scx_enabled() for verification
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2026 07:54:27 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aaCI08IDGXTLvwT8@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <deb203ab-7564-4bef-b4bf-053c6ec08f27@redhat.com>
Hello,
On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 04:25:59PM +0000, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> 2026-02-26T15:48:11Z Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 04:42:34PM +0100, Gabriele Monaco wrote:
> >> scx_enabled() might as well be exported (together with its static key), but I'm
> >> not sure exporting the sched_class is the right thing, since all those scheduler
> >> things are quite private.
> >
> > Don't you just need the sched_class pointer? Can't you get that from
> > kallsyms?
>
> Yes that pointer would do. Do you mean getting it in a task_on_scx() reimplementation I would just use in RV?
> I could do that but I was looking for a more standard solution.
> While very likely the pointer to the class and the class field are here to stay, having a function like task_on_scx() directly available in include/linux/sched/ext.h is less error prone and future observability tools might need it too.
>
> But let's rewind it a bit, if it is a big issue not to have it inlined (which probably isn't), we could just go on with something like _task_on_scx() (inlined, for the scheduler code) and task_on_scx() for other users. Wouldn't that be acceptable?
So, I don't know how rv works (searched a bit just now) but from kernel's
POV, it seems to look mostly like an additional tracing framework, and
testing p->sched_class against exported pointer value seems like a good fit
for the use case, no? It's not like task_on_scx() or state testing is going
to give you a "better" result anyway and it's actually rather confusing to
use them outside scheduler proper as these are expected to be used while the
task's rq lock is held. I don't think rv wants to (or even can) synchronize
against scheduler internals. Using external observability mechanism seems
like the better fit here.
Thanks.
--
tejun
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Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-25 9:51 [PATCH v6 00/16] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type, per-object and deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 01/16] rv: Unify DA event handling functions across monitor types Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 02/16] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 03/16] verification/rvgen: Allow spaces in and events strings Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 04/16] verification/rvgen: Add support for Hybrid Automata Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 05/16] Documentation/rv: Add documentation about hybrid automata Gabriele Monaco
2026-03-02 13:58 ` Juri Lelli
2026-03-02 14:23 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 06/16] rv: Add sample hybrid monitors stall Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 07/16] rv: Convert the opid monitor to a hybrid automaton Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 08/16] sched: Add task enqueue/dequeue trace points Gabriele Monaco
2026-03-06 8:58 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 09/16] rv: Add enqueue/dequeue to snroc monitor Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 10/16] rv: Add support for per-object monitors in DA/HA Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 11/16] verification/rvgen: Add support for per-obj monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 12/16] sched: Add deadline tracepoints Gabriele Monaco
2026-03-02 14:15 ` Juri Lelli
2026-03-02 14:24 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 13/16] sched/deadline: Move some utility functions to deadline.h Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 14/16] sched_ext: Export task_is_scx_enabled() for verification Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 17:08 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-26 7:10 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-26 15:22 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-26 15:42 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-26 15:48 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-26 16:25 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-26 17:54 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2026-02-26 18:39 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 15/16] rv: Add deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco
2026-03-02 14:37 ` Juri Lelli
2026-03-02 15:11 ` Gabriele Monaco
2026-02-25 9:51 ` [PATCH v6 16/16] rv: Add dl_server specific monitors Gabriele Monaco
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