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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>, "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Lai Jiangshan" <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Philipp Stanner" <phasta@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] rust: workqueue: add creation of workqueues
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2026 11:55:49 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aaQpRXR2hBde5LZy@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DGQOAM62LGC8.2S5KJZBQU9OR8@kernel.org>

On Sat, Feb 28, 2026 at 03:43:02PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Sat Feb 28, 2026 at 1:59 PM CET, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 08:23:44PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> >> On Fri Feb 27, 2026 at 8:05 PM CET, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2026 at 04:30:59PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> >> >> On Fri Feb 27, 2026 at 3:53 PM CET, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> >> >> > +    #[inline]
> >> >> > +    pub fn max_active(mut self, max_active: u32) -> Builder {
> >> >> > +        self.max_active = i32::try_from(max_active).unwrap_or(i32::MAX);
> >> >> 
> >> >> The workqueue code prints a warning for max_active >  WQ_MAX_ACTIVE. Maybe use
> >> >> debug_assert()?
> >> >
> >> > What's wrong with just making use of the C-side warning?
> >> 
> >> IIRC, we have the same pattern in other Rust code that we use debug_assert()
> >> when a value got clamped, e.g. in udelay().
> >
> > In udelay(), the clamping happens on the Rust side, so it makes sense
> > that Rust is the one to warn about it.
> >
> > Here, the clamping happens in C code. To warn about it, I'd have to
> > duplicate the existing C-side check to clamp in Rust.
> 
> That's fair, although I also think that it is not unreasonable. Given that this
> uses the builder pattern, I think it would be nice to ensure that nothing
> "invalid" can be built in the first place.
> 
> Maybe we can use a bounded integer?

Bounded integers allow zero, which is also illegal.

I think it's a bit much honestly.

> >> >> It's also a bit unfortunate that alloc_ordered_workqueue() becomes
> >> >> .max_active(1).
> >> >> 
> >> >> At the same time having a separate ordered() method competes with max_active().
> >> >> 
> >> >> Mybe a type state, i.e. Builder<Ordered> that doesn't have max_active()?
> >> >
> >> > Sorry I'm a bit confused by this. Why does an ordered() compete with
> >> > max_active()?
> >> 
> >> Because you could get an inconsistent state with __WQ_ORDERED and
> >> max_active > 1.
> >> 
> >> It also conflicts with sysfs() I think [1].
> >> 
> >> [1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.19.3/source/kernel/workqueue.c#L7417
> >
> > And I guess the further argument is that we have a use-case for ordered
> > workqueues?
> 
> In the context of
> 
> 	GPU drivers often need to create their own workqueues for various
> 	reasons. Add the ability to do so.
> 
> I think we do.
> 
> Depending on the final implementation details and the driver it may be needed by
> the job queue.
> 
> They are also pretty common outside the scheduler use-case in GPU drivers. I
> think panthor has one as well, so you might also need one in Tyr. In nova-core I
> expect this to be used in MM code.
> 
> But even without that, I think it would be reasonble to consider ordered queues
> for this abstraction, since alloc_ordered_workqueue() and
> create_singlethread_workqueue() seem to have more users than the non-ordered
> constructors (without checking whether alloc_workqueue() is also used directly
> to create ordered queues).

Ok, I'll consider this for next version.

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-01 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27 14:53 [PATCH v3 0/2] Creation of workqueues in Rust Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 14:53 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: workqueue: restrict delayed work to global wqs Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 15:10   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-27 15:47   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-27 17:09   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-27 19:01     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 19:08       ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-27 19:19         ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 19:24           ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-27 19:28             ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 19:46               ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-27 20:36                 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 21:25                   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-27 14:53 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] rust: workqueue: add creation of workqueues Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 15:30   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-27 16:00     ` Gary Guo
2026-02-27 16:12       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-27 19:05     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-27 19:23       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-28 12:59         ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-28 14:43           ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-03-01 11:55             ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2026-03-02 12:45               ` Philipp Stanner
2026-02-27 16:04   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-27 19:08     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-28  2:24   ` kernel test robot

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