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From: Dominique Martinet <asmadeus@codewreck.org>
To: Christian Schoenebeck <linux_oss@crudebyte.com>
Cc: Remi Pommarel <repk@triplefau.lt>,
	v9fs@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvh@kernel.org>,
	Latchesar Ionkov <lucho@ionkov.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/4] 9p: Add mount option for negative dentry cache retention
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 18:16:26 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aaf4athb6nUyxB83@codewreck.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13960739.uLZWGnKmhe@weasel>

Christian Schoenebeck wrote on Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 10:01:42AM +0100:
> > I did that on previous version, but was afraid that ~20days timeout max
> > value may be too restrictive?
> > 
> > I do agree that this is a bit odd though and if you both think s32 is
> > better that is fine with me.
> 
> What about just making this mount option a string and doing the parsing on our
> end? That would have the benefit of simply allowing arguments like "i00s",
> "5d", "1y", and if you really wanted "inf".
> 
> I would find units for this much more useful in practice than allowing
> infinite. Like discussed before, it is in general a bad idea to configure
> negative dentries to persist for good due to the huge amount of bogus entries
> that pile up.

I don't mind either way -- I think 20 days for such a timeout is enough,
but I agree being able to set something like '60s' or '100ms' would
certainly be convenient.

I'm actually surprised there's no such parsing helper in the kernel?!
The only related code I could find was parse_ns_duration /
parse_seconds_duration in tools/tracing/rtla/src/utils.c but that's for
tools, and there doesn't seem to be anything we could use..

Well, it's not that bad, so I'm not fussy here.


> > > OTOH ndentrycachetimeout as a mount option is a mouthful,
> > > negativetimeout or negtimeout sounds clear enough to me?
> > > I can't think of anything else that'd be negative related
> > > to timeouts, but perhaps it's the lack of sleep speaking
> > 
> > No strong opinion on the option name though so any name that suits you
> > is alse fine by me.
> 
> Another suggestion: "ndtimeout"?

I'd slightly favor negtimeout over ndtimeout but am fine with either
here.
('nd' sounds like something network-y to me, network discovery or ndo,
but that's not a hard no)


Thanks,
-- 
Dominique Martinet | Asmadeus

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-04  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-27  7:56 [PATCH v3 0/4] 9p: Performance improvements for build workloads Remi Pommarel
2026-02-27  7:56 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] 9p: Cache negative dentries for lookup performance Remi Pommarel
2026-03-04 12:50   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2026-02-27  7:56 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] 9p: Add mount option for negative dentry cache retention Remi Pommarel
2026-03-03 14:53   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2026-03-03 21:45     ` Dominique Martinet
2026-03-04  8:25       ` Remi Pommarel
2026-03-04  9:01         ` Christian Schoenebeck
2026-03-04  9:16           ` Dominique Martinet [this message]
2026-03-04 12:45   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2026-02-27  7:56 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] 9p: Set default negative dentry retention time for cache=loose Remi Pommarel
2026-03-04 12:54   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2026-02-27  7:56 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] 9p: Enable symlink caching in page cache Remi Pommarel
2026-03-04 13:01   ` Christian Schoenebeck

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