From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Jeff Xu <jeffxu@chromium.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 20:56:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab45d2f2-a34e-4ec7-8a49-03d166e6215a@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABi2SkU75e7tXcpgnLbDhqSJBWVPOvmfMh2uPsU3mUjMUhhYqw@mail.gmail.com>
>
> To summarize all the discussion points so far:
> 1. It's questionable behavior for madvise to allow destructive
> behavior for read-only anonymous mappings, regardless of mseal state.
> 2. We could potentially fix point 1 within madvise itself, without>
involving mseal, as Linus desires.
IIUC: disallow madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) without PROT_WRITE.
I am 99.99999% sure that that would break user case, unfortunately.
> 3. Android userspace uses destructive madvise to free up RAM, but I
> need to take a closer look at the patterns and usage to understand why
> they do that.
I am shocked that you question why they would use MADV_DONTNEED instead
of ...
> 4. We could ask applications to switch to non-destructive madvise,>
like MADV_COLD or MADV_PAGEOUT. Or, another option is that we could
> switch the kernel to use non-destructive madvise implicitly for
> destructive madvise in suitable situations.
... MADV_COLD / MADV_PAGEOUT.
I am also shocked that you think asking apps to switch would not make us
break user space.
> 5. We could investigate more based on vma->anon_vma
Or we do what sealing is supposed to do.
With the hope that this sealing fix here would not break user space.
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-24 18:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-16 17:38 [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 1/5] mm/mseal: always define VM_SEALED Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:34 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:44 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] mm/mseal: update madvise() logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:39 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:56 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-07-24 22:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 19:07 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 21:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 6:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:22 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 21:15 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 21:32 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 21:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-24 22:29 ` Kees Cook
2025-07-24 22:47 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 5:49 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 16:21 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 22:12 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 7:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 7:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 8:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 9:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 10:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 10:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-25 10:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 3/5] mm/mseal: small cleanups Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 4/5] mm/mseal: Simplify and rename VMA gap check Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:40 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-25 5:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-16 17:38 ` [PATCH v3 5/5] mm/mseal: rework mseal apply logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 18:41 ` Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 18:32 ` [PATCH v3 0/5] mseal cleanups, fixup MAP_PRIVATE file-backed case Jeff Xu
2025-07-24 19:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-25 6:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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