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From: Brian Masney <bmasney@redhat.com>
To: Hans de Goede <hansg@kernel.org>
Cc: Abel Vesa <abel.vesa@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Michael Turquette <mturquette@baylibre.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>, Abel Vesa <abelvesa@kernel.org>,
	Saravana Kannan <saravanak@kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-clk@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clk: add new Kconfig to control default behavior of disabling unused clocks
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2026 08:26:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ablIc4OkoJvdeddT@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90efa4a3-7042-4fdd-9108-9234b0ba9573@kernel.org>

Hi Hans,

On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 01:16:33PM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote:
> On 17-Mar-26 13:14, Abel Vesa wrote:
> > On 26-03-17 08:30:24, Maxime Ripard wrote:
> >> On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 06:33:45PM -0400, Brian Masney wrote:
> >>> At the 2023 Linux Plumbers Conference in Richmond VA, there was a
> >>> discussion about how large number of systems need to boot with
> >>> clk_ignore_unused. Per the discussions at the conference, the existing
> >>> behavior in the clk core is broken, and there is a desire to completely
> >>> remove this functionality.
> >>
> >> Broken how?
> >>
> >> clk_ignore_unused is to a point where it's seriously cargo-culted and
> >> documented as a silver bullet, when in reality it's just a debug tool
> >> for broken drivers, and the driver must be fixed.
> >>
> >> But nobody is actually fixing it.
> >>
> >> See
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Automatic_DTB_selection_for_aarch64_EFI_systems#How_To_Test
> >> for example. The affected clock could be marked as CLK_IS_CRITICAL, and
> >> fedora wouldn't have to package anything, change anything, etc. But no,
> >> the problem is clk_ignore_unused.
> > 
> > Nope. Don't ever mark clocks as critical unless system crashes without
> > them.
> > 
> > Here is an example or why clocks cannot be marked as critical but need
> > to be kept by the clk_ignore_unused: display driver probes later.
> > If you mark it as critical you just made the clock stay enabled even
> > when display is off.
> > 
> > And this is just one example.
> 
> Interesting, so maybe we need a new way flag to mark clocks as not to
> be turned off when turning unused clocks off, which does not block
> them getting disabled normally later ?
> 
> (I was under the mistaken impression this is what CLK_IS_CRITICAL did)

There's a separate flag CLK_IGNORE_UNUSED that can be used instead.

Brian


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-17 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-16 22:33 [PATCH] clk: add new Kconfig to control default behavior of disabling unused clocks Brian Masney
2026-03-17  7:30 ` Maxime Ripard
2026-03-17 11:53   ` Hans de Goede
2026-03-17 12:20     ` Brian Masney
2026-03-17 13:32     ` Maxime Ripard
2026-03-17 13:51       ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 14:02       ` Hans de Goede
2026-03-17 12:14   ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 12:16     ` Hans de Goede
2026-03-17 12:26       ` Brian Masney [this message]
2026-03-17 13:03         ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 13:18           ` Maxime Ripard
2026-03-17 13:22             ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 12:57       ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 13:15     ` Maxime Ripard
2026-03-17 13:21       ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 13:40         ` Maxime Ripard
2026-03-17 14:13         ` Brian Masney
2026-03-17 14:20           ` Abel Vesa
2026-03-17 15:00             ` Brian Masney
2026-03-17 15:14               ` Hans de Goede
2026-03-19  5:40             ` Jagadeesh Kona

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