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From: Frederick Lawler <fred@cloudflare.com>
To: Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Cc: "Paul Moore" <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	"Eric Paris" <eparis@redhat.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Martin KaFai Lau" <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	"Eduard Zingerman" <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	"Song Liu" <song@kernel.org>,
	"Yonghong Song" <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"KP Singh" <kpsingh@kernel.org>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	"Hao Luo" <haoluo@google.com>, "Jiri Olsa" <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	"Shuah Khan" <shuah@kernel.org>,
	"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>,
	"Günther Noack" <gnoack@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, audit@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@cloudflare.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/4] audit: Expose audit subsystem to BPF LSM programs via BPF kfuncs
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 12:34:17 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <abriGVbtYY1zhupD@CMGLRV3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP01T77VyW=5SHDvM3HXPNHaxRdzs8H__MOh2zx1dQ6STeAUtg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kumar,

On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 03:43:36AM +0100, Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 at 22:31, Frederick Lawler <fred@cloudflare.com> wrote:
> > 3. All bpf_audit_log_*() functions are destructive
> >
> > The audit subsystem allows for AUDIT_FAIL_PANIC to be set when the
> > subsystem can detect that missing events. Further, some call paths may
> > invoke a BUG_ON(). Therefore all the functions are marked destructive.
> 
> I think the first part makes sense (i.e., the policy simply configured
> the system to panic on failure).
> However, in the second case, if the program is somehow able to trigger
> BUG_ON() relied upon for internal invariants, it would be considered
> broken.
> I tried grepping through and didn't find anything that would cause
> this, hence the whole thing about BUG_ON() in the cover letter only
> adds to confusion.
> Please drop it or describe cases which you were concerned about.
> 

bpf_audit_log_cause()
 -> audit_log_untrustedstring()
   -> audit_log_n_untrustedstring()
     -> audit_log_n_hex()

Was the primary call chain I was referring to, and yes this relies on
internal invariant of the SKB existing. I can remove from cover.

> >
> > 4. Functions are callable once per bpf_audit_context
> >
> > The rationale for this was to prevent abuse. Logs with repeated fields
> > are not helpful, and may not be handled by user space audit coherently.
> >
> 
> This rationale feels weak. What abuse are we talking about?
> The LSM program is already written by a trusted entity.
> 

I learned through off-list discussions that there's "undocumented" or
"unspoken" rules of log formatting and how auditd expects logs. Without
knowing exactly what these rules are, I can't provide any stronger
arguments other than to reduce duplication of fields in messages, or
exclude wrappers that supply unverified data.

WRT to unverified data, the socket wrappers accepting a netinf int.
In that case, the variable is at least verified via lookup to
report the interface in which it belongs. I left out wrapping
LSM_AUDIT_DATA_ANONINODE due to the passing of arbitrary string,
LSM_AUDIT_DATA_IPC arbitrary int. Others like for infiniband,
lockdown, nlmsgtype, were left out due to specificity, and not general
purpose usage.

Some of the rationale behind this is _not_ trusting BPF LSM authors as
much due to BPF LSM flexibility and accommodating user space audit.

Best,
Fred

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18 17:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-11 21:31 [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/4] audit: Expose audit subsystem to BPF LSM programs via BPF kfuncs Frederick Lawler
2026-03-11 21:31 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 1/4] audit: Implement bpf_audit_log_*() wrappers Frederick Lawler
2026-03-11 22:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-03-17  2:04   ` Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-11 21:31 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 2/4] audit/security: Enable audit BPF kfuncs Frederick Lawler
2026-03-11 21:31 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 3/4] selftests/bpf: Add audit helpers for BPF tests Frederick Lawler
2026-03-11 21:31 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 4/4] selftests/bpf: Add lsm_audit_kfuncs tests Frederick Lawler
2026-03-17  2:43 ` [PATCH RFC bpf-next 0/4] audit: Expose audit subsystem to BPF LSM programs via BPF kfuncs Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi
2026-03-18  1:15   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-03-18 17:49     ` Frederick Lawler
2026-03-18 20:55       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-03-18 17:34   ` Frederick Lawler [this message]

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