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From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
To: David CARLIER <devnexen@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] mm/userfaultfd: detect VMA replacement after copy retry in mfill_copy_folio_retry()
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2026 06:58:33 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3paYh6sPHr3EJd@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+XhMqzdQLZD4YWzyZfTwd_+sDnLqj24APqBRgum97_=8EcM2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

It feels that you use an LLM for correspondence. Please tune it down to
produce more laconic and to the point responses.

On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 09:06:36AM +0100, David CARLIER wrote:
>   On Tue, Apr 01, 2026 at 08:49:00AM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
>   > What does "folio allocated from the original VMA's backing store" exactly
>   > mean? Why is this a problem?
> 
>   Fair point, the commit message was vague here. What I meant is:
> 
>   mfill_atomic_pte_copy() captures ops = vma_uffd_ops(state->vma) and
>   passes it to __mfill_atomic_pte(). There, ops->alloc_folio() allocates
>   a folio for the original VMA's inode (e.g. a shmem folio for that
>   specific shmem inode). 

I wouldn't say ->alloc_folio() allocates a folio _for_ the inode, it
allocates it with inode's memory policy. Worst can happen without any
changes is that the allocated folio will end up in a wrong node.

This is still a footgun, but I don't see it as a big deal.
Let's revisit it after -rc1 and please make sure to cc "MEMORY MAPPING"
folks for insights about how to better track VMA changes or their absence.

>   Then mfill_copy_folio_retry() drops all locks for
>   the copy_from_user retry. After mfill_get_vma() re-acquires them,
>   state->vma may now point to a replacement VMA, but ops is still the
>   stale pointer from before the drop.

And this is a bug in my uffd refactoring, and it needs to be fixed ASAP
with a simple comparison of old ops and new ops.
 
>   > Second, I have reservations about vma_snapshot implementation. What
>   > invariant does it exactly enforce?
> 
>   The invariant I was going for: "the folio we allocated is still
>   compatible with the VMA we're about to install it into." Since
>   alloc_folio() allocates from the VMA's backing file (inode), checking
>   that vm_file is still the same after re-acquiring locks ensures the
>   folio matches the inode.

Again, it's not that folio matches the inode, but folio is allocated using
the correct mempolicy.

>   The vm_flags comparison was a secondary guard against permission/type
>   changes during the window.

Permissions should be fine, they are checked in userfaultfd_register.
Some other flags that don't matter to uffd operation may change during the
window, though and then a comparison of vm_flags will give a false
positive.

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Mike.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-02  3:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-31 13:41 [PATCH v4] mm/userfaultfd: detect VMA replacement after copy retry in mfill_copy_folio_retry() David Carlier
2026-04-01  3:01 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-01  7:49   ` Mike Rapoport
2026-04-01  8:06     ` David CARLIER
2026-04-01 15:23       ` Peter Xu
2026-04-01 18:34         ` David CARLIER
2026-04-01 19:22           ` Peter Xu
2026-04-01 20:05             ` David CARLIER
2026-04-02  4:02             ` Mike Rapoport
2026-04-02  5:59               ` David CARLIER
2026-04-02 13:29               ` Peter Xu
2026-04-02  3:58       ` Mike Rapoport [this message]
2026-04-02 13:42         ` Peter Xu

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