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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Felix Abecassis <fabecassis@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/topology: Avoid spurious asymmetry from CPU capacity noise
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 10:46:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acJdiVF7t4xtOT4z@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ecbc864d-0188-42bd-8865-7d6ec46ec34d@arm.com>

Hi Christian,

On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 08:08:22AM +0000, Christian Loehle wrote:
> On 3/24/26 07:55, Christian Loehle wrote:
> > On 3/24/26 07:39, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 at 01:55, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On some platforms, the firmware may expose per-CPU performance
> >>> differences (e.g., via ACPI CPPC highest_perf) even when the system is
> >>> effectively symmetric. These small variations, typically due to silicon
> >>> binning, are reflected in arch_scale_cpu_capacity() and end up being
> >>> interpreted as real capacity asymmetry.
> >>>
> >>> As a result, the scheduler incorrectly enables SD_ASYM_CPUCAPACITY,
> >>> triggering asymmetry-specific behaviors, even though all CPUs have
> >>> comparable performance.
> >>>
> >>> Prevent this by treating CPU capacities within 20% of the maximum value
> >>
> >> 20% is a bit high, my snapdragon rb5 has a mid CPU with a capacity of
> >> 871 but we still want to keep them different
> >>
> >> Why would 5% not be enough?
> > 
> > I've also used 5%, or rather the existing capacity_greater() macro.
> 
> Also, given that this patch even mentions this as "noise" one might ask
> why the firmware wouldn't force-equalise this.

I think it's reasonable to consider that as "noise" from a scheduler
perspective, but from a hardware/firmware point of view I don't have strong
arguments to propose equalizing the highest_perf values. At the end, at
least in my case, it seems all compliant with the ACPI/CPPC specs and
suggesting to equalize them because "the kernel doesn't handle it well"
doesn't seem like a solid motivation...

> Anyway let me finally send out those asympacking patches which would make
> that issue obsolete because we actually make use of the highest_perf
> information from the firmware.

Looking forward to that. :)

Thanks,
-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-24  9:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-24  0:55 [PATCH] sched/topology: Avoid spurious asymmetry from CPU capacity noise Andrea Righi
2026-03-24  7:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2026-03-24  7:55   ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-24  8:08     ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-24  9:46       ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-03-24 10:29         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-03-24 11:01           ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-25  9:23             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-03-25  9:32               ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-25 11:16                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-03-25 12:25                   ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-25 15:26                     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2026-03-25 16:50                       ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-25 12:48                 ` Phil Auld
2026-03-24  9:39   ` Andrea Righi
2026-03-25  3:30     ` Koba Ko
2026-03-25 12:29       ` Andrea Righi

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