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From: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	 Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	 Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>,
	 Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	 Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	 Adithya Jayachandran <ajayachandra@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	 Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	William Tu <witu@nvidia.com>,
	 Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	 David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/14] iommufd-lu: Implement ioctl to let userspace mark an HWPT to be preserved
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 20:19:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <acQ0_LfXd_-2cv1I@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acQvqAC4iawBIZJb@google.com>

On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 06:55:36PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 05:31:46PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 02:37:37PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>> > On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 10:09:44PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
>> > > From: YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>
>> > >
>> > > Userspace provides a token, which will then be used at restore to
>> > > identify this HWPT. The restoration logic is not implemented and will be
>> > > added later.
>> > >
>> > > Signed-off-by: YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>
>> > > Signed-off-by: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>
>> > > ---
>> > >  drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile          |  1 +
>> > >  drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h | 13 +++++++
>> > >  drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c      | 49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > >  drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c            |  2 +
>> > >  include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h            | 19 ++++++++++
>> > >  5 files changed, 84 insertions(+)
>> > >  create mode 100644 drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > >
>> > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > index 71d692c9a8f4..c3bf0b6452d3 100644
>> > > --- a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > @@ -17,3 +17,4 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMUFD_DRIVER) += iova_bitmap.o
>> > >
>> > >  iommufd_driver-y := driver.o
>> > >  obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMUFD_DRIVER_CORE) += iommufd_driver.o
>> > > +obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE) += liveupdate.o
>> > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > index eb6d1a70f673..6424e7cea5b2 100644
>> > > --- a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > @@ -374,6 +374,10 @@ struct iommufd_hwpt_paging {
>> > >  	bool auto_domain : 1;
>> > >  	bool enforce_cache_coherency : 1;
>> > >  	bool nest_parent : 1;
>> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE
>> > > +	bool lu_preserve : 1;
>> > > +	u32 lu_token;
>> >
>> > Did we downsize the token? Shouldn't this be u64 as everywhere else?
>>
>> Note that this is different from the token that is used to preserve the
>> FD into LUO. This token is used to mark the HWPT for preservation, that
>> is it will be preserved when the FD is preserved.
>>
>> I will add more text in the commit message to make it clear.
>>
>> For consistency I will make it u64.
>
>I understand that it's logically distinct from the FD preservation token
>However, the userspace likely won't implement a separate 32-bit token
>generator just for IOMMUFD Live Update. I assume, it'll just use the a
>same 64-bit restore-token allocator. Keeping this as u64 prevents them
>from having to downcast or manage a separate ID space just for this IOCTL

Agreed.
>
>> >
>> > > +#endif
>> > >  	/* Head at iommufd_ioas::hwpt_list */
>> > >  	struct list_head hwpt_item;
>> > >  	struct iommufd_sw_msi_maps present_sw_msi;
>> > > @@ -707,6 +711,15 @@ iommufd_get_vdevice(struct iommufd_ctx *ictx, u32 id)
>> > >  			    struct iommufd_vdevice, obj);
>> > >  }
>> > >
>> > > +#ifdef CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE
>> > > +int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd);
>> > > +#else
>> > > +static inline int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd)
>> > > +{
>> > > +	return -ENOTTY;
>> > > +}
>> > > +#endif
>> > > +
>> > >  #ifdef CONFIG_IOMMUFD_TEST
>> > >  int iommufd_test(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd);
>> > >  void iommufd_selftest_destroy(struct iommufd_object *obj);
>> > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > > new file mode 100644
>> > > index 000000000000..ae74f5b54735
>> > > --- /dev/null
>> > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > > @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@
>> > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only
>> > > +
>> > > +#define pr_fmt(fmt) "iommufd: " fmt
>> > > +
>> > > +#include <linux/file.h>
>> > > +#include <linux/iommufd.h>
>> > > +#include <linux/liveupdate.h>
>> > > +
>> > > +#include "iommufd_private.h"
>> > > +
>> > > +int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd)
>> > > +{
>> > > +	struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve *cmd = ucmd->cmd;
>> > > +	struct iommufd_hwpt_paging *hwpt_target, *hwpt;
>> > > +	struct iommufd_ctx *ictx = ucmd->ictx;
>> > > +	struct iommufd_object *obj;
>> > > +	unsigned long index;
>> > > +	int rc = 0;
>> > > +
>> > > +	hwpt_target = iommufd_get_hwpt_paging(ucmd, cmd->hwpt_id);
>> > > +	if (IS_ERR(hwpt_target))
>> > > +		return PTR_ERR(hwpt_target);
>> > > +
>> > > +	xa_lock(&ictx->objects);
>> > > +	xa_for_each(&ictx->objects, index, obj) {
>> > > +		if (obj->type != IOMMUFD_OBJ_HWPT_PAGING)
>> > > +			continue;
>> >
>> > Couldn't these be HWPT_NESTED? Are we explicitly skipping HWPT_NESTED
>> > here? ARM SMMUv3 heavily relies on IOMMU_DOMAIN_NESTED to back vIOMMUs
>> > and hold critical guest translation state. We'd need to support
>> > HWPT_NESTED for arm-smmu-v3.
>>
>> For this series, I am not handling the NESTED and vIOMMU usecases. I
>> will be sending a separate series to handle those, this is mentioned in
>> cover letter also in the Future work.
>>
>> Will add a note in commit message also.
>
>I see, I missed it in the cover letter. Shall we add a TODO mentioning
>that we'll support to NESTED too? (No strong feelings about this or
>adding stuff to the commit message too.. the cover letter mentions it)
>
>> >
>> > > +
>> > > +		hwpt = container_of(obj, struct iommufd_hwpt_paging, common.obj);
>> > > +
>> > > +		if (hwpt == hwpt_target)
>> > > +			continue;
>> > > +		if (!hwpt->lu_preserve)
>> > > +			continue;
>> > > +		if (hwpt->lu_token == cmd->hwpt_token) {
>> > > +			rc = -EADDRINUSE;
>> > > +			goto out;
>> > > +		}
>> >
>> > I see that this entire loop is to avoid collisions but could we improve
>> > this? We are doing an O(N) linear search over the entire ictx->objects
>> > xarray while holding xa_lock on every setup call.
>> >
>> > If the kernel requires a strict 1:1 mapping of lu_token to hwpt,
>> > wouldn't it be much better to track these in a dedicated xarray?
>> >
>> > Just thinking out loud, if we added a dedicated lu_tokens xarray to
>> > iommufd_ctx, we could drop the linear search and the lock entirely,
>> > letting the xarray handle the collision natively like this:
>> >
>> > 	rc = xa_insert(&ictx->lu_tokens, cmd->hwpt_token, hwpt_target, GFP_KERNEL);
>> > 	if (rc == -EBUSY) {
>> > 		rc = -EADDRINUSE;
>> > 		goto out;
>> > 	} else if (rc) {
>> > 		goto out;
>> > 	}
>> >
>> > This ensures instant collision detection without iterating the global
>> > object pool. When the HWPT is eventually destroyed (or un-preserved), we
>> > simply call xa_erase(&ictx->lu_tokens, hwpt->lu_token).
>>
>> Agreed. We can call xa_erase when it is destroyed. This can also be used
>> during actual preservation without taking the objects lock.
>
>Awesome!
>
>> >
>> > > +	}
>> > > +
>> > > +	hwpt_target->lu_preserve = true;
>> >
>> > I don't see a way to unset hwpt->lu_preserve once it's been set. What if
>> > a VMM marks a HWPT for preservation, but then the guest decides to rmmod
>> > the device before the actual kexec? The VMM would need a way to
>> > unpreserve it so we don't carry stale state across the live update?
>> >
>> > Are we relying on the VMM to always call IOMMU_DESTROY on that HWPT when
>> > it's no longer needed for preservation? A clever VMM optimizing for perf
>> > might just pool or cache detached HWPTs for future reuse. If that HWPT
>> > goes back into a free pool and gets re-attached to a new device later,
>> > the sticky lu_preserve state will inadvertently leak across the kexec..
>>
>> As mentioned earlier, the HWPT is not being preserved in this call. So
>> when VMM dies or rmmod happens, this HWPT will be destroyed following
>> the normal flow.
>>
>
>I think there might be a slight disconnect regarding the "normal flow"
>of HWPT destruction. My concern isn't about the VMM dying or a simple 1:1
>teardown. My concern is about a VMM that deliberately avoids calling
>IOMMU_DESTROY to optimize allocations.
>
>The iommufd UAPI already explicitly supports the HWPT pooling model.
>The IOMMU_DEVICE_ATTACH ioctl takes a pt_id, allowing a VMM to
>pre-allocate an HWPT and then 'point' various devices at it over time.
>(Note that detaching a device from a HWPT attaches it to a blocked
>domain.)
>
>If a VMM uses a free-list/cache for its HWPTs, a guest hot-unplug will
>cause the VMM to detach the device, but the VMM will keep the HWPT alive
>in userspace for future reuse.
>
>If that happens, the HWPT is now sitting in the VMM's free pool, but the
>kernel still has it permanently flagged with lu_preserve = true. When
>the VMM later pulls that HWPT from the pool to attach to a new device
>(which might not need preservation), there is no way for the VMM to
>UNMARK it for preservation.

Interesting.. My thinking is that a VMM that is aware of the live update
use case should be responsible for its own object lifecycle. It should
simply discard such HWPT rather than returning it to a free-list.

My concern with adding unpreserve ioctl is that it forces a lot of
complex lifecycle tracking into the kernel, especially around the new
locking that would be needed to handle races between parallel iommufd
preserve/unpreserve calls.

Given that complexity, I think the cleaner approach is to avoid the new
ioctl and keep the kernel-side implementation simpler.
>
>> I will add this in commit message.
>> >
>> > > +	hwpt_target->lu_token = cmd->hwpt_token;
>> > > +
>> > > +out:
>> > > +	xa_unlock(&ictx->objects);
>> > > +	iommufd_put_object(ictx, &hwpt_target->common.obj);
>> > > +	return rc;
>> > > +}
>> > > +
>> > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c
>> > > index 5cc4b08c25f5..e1a9b3051f65 100644
>> > > --- a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c
>> > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c
>> > > @@ -493,6 +493,8 @@ static const struct iommufd_ioctl_op iommufd_ioctl_ops[] = {
>> > >  		 __reserved),
>> > >  	IOCTL_OP(IOMMU_VIOMMU_ALLOC, iommufd_viommu_alloc_ioctl,
>> > >  		 struct iommu_viommu_alloc, out_viommu_id),
>> > > +	IOCTL_OP(IOMMU_HWPT_LU_SET_PRESERVE, iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve,
>> > > +		 struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve, hwpt_token),
>> > >  #ifdef CONFIG_IOMMUFD_TEST
>> > >  	IOCTL_OP(IOMMU_TEST_CMD, iommufd_test, struct iommu_test_cmd, last),
>> > >  #endif
>> > > diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h b/include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h
>> > > index 2c41920b641d..25d8cff987eb 100644
>> > > --- a/include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h
>> > > +++ b/include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h
>> > > @@ -57,6 +57,7 @@ enum {
>> > >  	IOMMUFD_CMD_IOAS_CHANGE_PROCESS = 0x92,
>> > >  	IOMMUFD_CMD_VEVENTQ_ALLOC = 0x93,
>> > >  	IOMMUFD_CMD_HW_QUEUE_ALLOC = 0x94,
>> > > +	IOMMUFD_CMD_HWPT_LU_SET_PRESERVE = 0x95,
>> > >  };
>> > >
>> > >  /**
>> > > @@ -1299,4 +1300,22 @@ struct iommu_hw_queue_alloc {
>> > >  	__aligned_u64 length;
>> > >  };
>> > >  #define IOMMU_HW_QUEUE_ALLOC _IO(IOMMUFD_TYPE, IOMMUFD_CMD_HW_QUEUE_ALLOC)
>> > > +
>> > > +/**
>> > > + * struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve - ioctl(IOMMU_HWPT_LU_SET_PRESERVE)
>> >
>> > Nit: The IOCTL is called "IOMMU_HWPT_LU_SET_PRESERVE" which subtly
>> > implies the existence of a "GET_PRESERVE". Should we perhaps just call
>> > it IOMMU_HWPT_LU_PRESERVE?
>>
>> LU_PRESERVE would imply that it is being preserved. Maybe
>> "IOMMU_HWPT_LU_MARK_PRESERVE"?
>
>Yup, sounds good! Thanks
>
>> >
>> > > + * @size: sizeof(struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve)
>> > > + * @hwpt_id: Iommufd object ID of the target HWPT
>> > > + * @hwpt_token: Token to identify this hwpt upon restore
>> > > + *
>> > > + * The target HWPT will be preserved during iommufd preservation.
>> > > + *
>> > > + * The hwpt_token is provided by userspace. If userspace enters a token
>> > > + * already in use within this iommufd, -EADDRINUSE is returned from this ioctl.
>> > > + */
>> > > +struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve {
>> > > +	__u32 size;
>> > > +	__u32 hwpt_id;
>> > > +	__u32 hwpt_token;
>> > > +};
>> >
>> > Nit: Let's make sure we follow the 64-bit alignment as enforced in the
>> > rest of this file, note the __u32 __reserved fields in existing IOCTL
>> > structs.
>>
>> Agreed. Will update
>
>Thanks,
>Praan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-25 20:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-03 22:09 [PATCH 00/14] iommu: Add live update state preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 01/14] iommu: Implement IOMMU LU FLB callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-11 21:07   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-12 16:43     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-12 23:43       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 16:47         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-13 15:36       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 16:58         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-16 22:54   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-17  1:06     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 23:27       ` Vipin Sharma
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 02/14] iommu: Implement IOMMU core liveupdate skeleton Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-12 23:10   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 18:42     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:09       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-17 20:13         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:23           ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-17 21:03             ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-18 18:51               ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-18 17:49             ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 19:58   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-17 20:33     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-24 19:06       ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-24 19:45         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 03/14] liveupdate: luo_file: Add internal APIs for file preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-18 10:00   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-18 16:54     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 04/14] iommu/pages: Add APIs to preserve/unpreserve/restore iommu pages Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-03 16:42   ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-03 18:41     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 17:27       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:12         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:59   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20  9:28     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:27       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 11:01     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:56       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 05/14] iommupt: Implement preserve/unpreserve/restore callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 21:57   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 16:41     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 06/14] iommu/vt-d: Implement device and iommu preserve/unpreserve ops Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 16:04   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-19 16:27     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 23:01   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-21 13:27     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:32     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 07/14] iommu/vt-d: Restore IOMMU state and reclaimed domain ids Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 20:54   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20  1:05     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-22 19:51   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 19:33     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 08/14] iommu: Restore and reattach preserved domains to devices Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-10  5:16   ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-10 21:47     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-22 21:59   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:02     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 09/14] iommu/vt-d: preserve PASID table of preserved device Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 18:19   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:51     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 10/14] iommufd-lu: Implement ioctl to let userspace mark an HWPT to be preserved Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 23:35   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20  0:40     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 23:34       ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 16:24         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 14:37   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 17:31     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 18:55       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 20:19         ` Samiullah Khawaja [this message]
2026-03-25 20:36           ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 20:46             ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 11/14] iommufd-lu: Persist iommu hardware pagetables for live update Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-25 23:47   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-03  5:56   ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-03 18:51     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 20:28   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 21:34     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 20:08   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 20:32     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 12/14] iommufd: Add APIs to preserve/unpreserve a vfio cdev Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 20:59   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 21:38     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 20:24   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 20:41     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 21:23       ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-26  0:16         ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 13/14] vfio/pci: Preserve the iommufd state of the " Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-17  4:18   ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-03 18:35     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 21:17   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 22:07     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-24 20:30       ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-25 20:55   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 14/14] iommufd/selftest: Add test to verify iommufd preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 22:18   ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-25 21:05   ` Pranjal Shrivastava

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