From: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>
To: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/14] iommufd-lu: Implement ioctl to let userspace mark an HWPT to be preserved
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2026 20:46:00 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <acRJCOFNuOxKOB3c@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acRHRA-T28Kur5VT@google.com>
On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 08:36:20PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 08:19:05PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 06:55:36PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 05:31:46PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
>> > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2026 at 02:37:37PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
>> > > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 10:09:44PM +0000, Samiullah Khawaja wrote:
>> > > > > From: YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Userspace provides a token, which will then be used at restore to
>> > > > > identify this HWPT. The restoration logic is not implemented and will be
>> > > > > added later.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Signed-off-by: YiFei Zhu <zhuyifei@google.com>
>> > > > > Signed-off-by: Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>
>> > > > > ---
>> > > > > drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile | 1 +
>> > > > > drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h | 13 +++++++
>> > > > > drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c | 49 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > > > > drivers/iommu/iommufd/main.c | 2 +
>> > > > > include/uapi/linux/iommufd.h | 19 ++++++++++
>> > > > > 5 files changed, 84 insertions(+)
>> > > > > create mode 100644 drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > > > >
>> > > > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > > > index 71d692c9a8f4..c3bf0b6452d3 100644
>> > > > > --- a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/Makefile
>> > > > > @@ -17,3 +17,4 @@ obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMUFD_DRIVER) += iova_bitmap.o
>> > > > >
>> > > > > iommufd_driver-y := driver.o
>> > > > > obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMUFD_DRIVER_CORE) += iommufd_driver.o
>> > > > > +obj-$(CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE) += liveupdate.o
>> > > > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > > > index eb6d1a70f673..6424e7cea5b2 100644
>> > > > > --- a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/iommufd_private.h
>> > > > > @@ -374,6 +374,10 @@ struct iommufd_hwpt_paging {
>> > > > > bool auto_domain : 1;
>> > > > > bool enforce_cache_coherency : 1;
>> > > > > bool nest_parent : 1;
>> > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE
>> > > > > + bool lu_preserve : 1;
>> > > > > + u32 lu_token;
>> > > >
>> > > > Did we downsize the token? Shouldn't this be u64 as everywhere else?
>> > >
>> > > Note that this is different from the token that is used to preserve the
>> > > FD into LUO. This token is used to mark the HWPT for preservation, that
>> > > is it will be preserved when the FD is preserved.
>> > >
>> > > I will add more text in the commit message to make it clear.
>> > >
>> > > For consistency I will make it u64.
>> >
>> > I understand that it's logically distinct from the FD preservation token
>> > However, the userspace likely won't implement a separate 32-bit token
>> > generator just for IOMMUFD Live Update. I assume, it'll just use the a
>> > same 64-bit restore-token allocator. Keeping this as u64 prevents them
>> > from having to downcast or manage a separate ID space just for this IOCTL
>>
>> Agreed.
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > +#endif
>> > > > > /* Head at iommufd_ioas::hwpt_list */
>> > > > > struct list_head hwpt_item;
>> > > > > struct iommufd_sw_msi_maps present_sw_msi;
>> > > > > @@ -707,6 +711,15 @@ iommufd_get_vdevice(struct iommufd_ctx *ictx, u32 id)
>> > > > > struct iommufd_vdevice, obj);
>> > > > > }
>> > > > >
>> > > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_IOMMU_LIVEUPDATE
>> > > > > +int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd);
>> > > > > +#else
>> > > > > +static inline int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd)
>> > > > > +{
>> > > > > + return -ENOTTY;
>> > > > > +}
>> > > > > +#endif
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > #ifdef CONFIG_IOMMUFD_TEST
>> > > > > int iommufd_test(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd);
>> > > > > void iommufd_selftest_destroy(struct iommufd_object *obj);
>> > > > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > > > > new file mode 100644
>> > > > > index 000000000000..ae74f5b54735
>> > > > > --- /dev/null
>> > > > > +++ b/drivers/iommu/iommufd/liveupdate.c
>> > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,49 @@
>> > > > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-only
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > +#define pr_fmt(fmt) "iommufd: " fmt
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > +#include <linux/file.h>
>> > > > > +#include <linux/iommufd.h>
>> > > > > +#include <linux/liveupdate.h>
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > +#include "iommufd_private.h"
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > +int iommufd_hwpt_lu_set_preserve(struct iommufd_ucmd *ucmd)
>> > > > > +{
>> > > > > + struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve *cmd = ucmd->cmd;
>> > > > > + struct iommufd_hwpt_paging *hwpt_target, *hwpt;
>> > > > > + struct iommufd_ctx *ictx = ucmd->ictx;
>> > > > > + struct iommufd_object *obj;
>> > > > > + unsigned long index;
>> > > > > + int rc = 0;
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > + hwpt_target = iommufd_get_hwpt_paging(ucmd, cmd->hwpt_id);
>> > > > > + if (IS_ERR(hwpt_target))
>> > > > > + return PTR_ERR(hwpt_target);
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > + xa_lock(&ictx->objects);
>> > > > > + xa_for_each(&ictx->objects, index, obj) {
>> > > > > + if (obj->type != IOMMUFD_OBJ_HWPT_PAGING)
>> > > > > + continue;
>> > > >
>> > > > Couldn't these be HWPT_NESTED? Are we explicitly skipping HWPT_NESTED
>> > > > here? ARM SMMUv3 heavily relies on IOMMU_DOMAIN_NESTED to back vIOMMUs
>> > > > and hold critical guest translation state. We'd need to support
>> > > > HWPT_NESTED for arm-smmu-v3.
>> > >
>> > > For this series, I am not handling the NESTED and vIOMMU usecases. I
>> > > will be sending a separate series to handle those, this is mentioned in
>> > > cover letter also in the Future work.
>> > >
>> > > Will add a note in commit message also.
>> >
>> > I see, I missed it in the cover letter. Shall we add a TODO mentioning
>> > that we'll support to NESTED too? (No strong feelings about this or
>> > adding stuff to the commit message too.. the cover letter mentions it)
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > + hwpt = container_of(obj, struct iommufd_hwpt_paging, common.obj);
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > + if (hwpt == hwpt_target)
>> > > > > + continue;
>> > > > > + if (!hwpt->lu_preserve)
>> > > > > + continue;
>> > > > > + if (hwpt->lu_token == cmd->hwpt_token) {
>> > > > > + rc = -EADDRINUSE;
>> > > > > + goto out;
>> > > > > + }
>> > > >
>> > > > I see that this entire loop is to avoid collisions but could we improve
>> > > > this? We are doing an O(N) linear search over the entire ictx->objects
>> > > > xarray while holding xa_lock on every setup call.
>> > > >
>> > > > If the kernel requires a strict 1:1 mapping of lu_token to hwpt,
>> > > > wouldn't it be much better to track these in a dedicated xarray?
>> > > >
>> > > > Just thinking out loud, if we added a dedicated lu_tokens xarray to
>> > > > iommufd_ctx, we could drop the linear search and the lock entirely,
>> > > > letting the xarray handle the collision natively like this:
>> > > >
>> > > > rc = xa_insert(&ictx->lu_tokens, cmd->hwpt_token, hwpt_target, GFP_KERNEL);
>> > > > if (rc == -EBUSY) {
>> > > > rc = -EADDRINUSE;
>> > > > goto out;
>> > > > } else if (rc) {
>> > > > goto out;
>> > > > }
>> > > >
>> > > > This ensures instant collision detection without iterating the global
>> > > > object pool. When the HWPT is eventually destroyed (or un-preserved), we
>> > > > simply call xa_erase(&ictx->lu_tokens, hwpt->lu_token).
>> > >
>> > > Agreed. We can call xa_erase when it is destroyed. This can also be used
>> > > during actual preservation without taking the objects lock.
>> >
>> > Awesome!
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > + }
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > + hwpt_target->lu_preserve = true;
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't see a way to unset hwpt->lu_preserve once it's been set. What if
>> > > > a VMM marks a HWPT for preservation, but then the guest decides to rmmod
>> > > > the device before the actual kexec? The VMM would need a way to
>> > > > unpreserve it so we don't carry stale state across the live update?
>> > > >
>> > > > Are we relying on the VMM to always call IOMMU_DESTROY on that HWPT when
>> > > > it's no longer needed for preservation? A clever VMM optimizing for perf
>> > > > might just pool or cache detached HWPTs for future reuse. If that HWPT
>> > > > goes back into a free pool and gets re-attached to a new device later,
>> > > > the sticky lu_preserve state will inadvertently leak across the kexec..
>> > >
>> > > As mentioned earlier, the HWPT is not being preserved in this call. So
>> > > when VMM dies or rmmod happens, this HWPT will be destroyed following
>> > > the normal flow.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I think there might be a slight disconnect regarding the "normal flow"
>> > of HWPT destruction. My concern isn't about the VMM dying or a simple 1:1
>> > teardown. My concern is about a VMM that deliberately avoids calling
>> > IOMMU_DESTROY to optimize allocations.
>> >
>> > The iommufd UAPI already explicitly supports the HWPT pooling model.
>> > The IOMMU_DEVICE_ATTACH ioctl takes a pt_id, allowing a VMM to
>> > pre-allocate an HWPT and then 'point' various devices at it over time.
>> > (Note that detaching a device from a HWPT attaches it to a blocked
>> > domain.)
>> >
>> > If a VMM uses a free-list/cache for its HWPTs, a guest hot-unplug will
>> > cause the VMM to detach the device, but the VMM will keep the HWPT alive
>> > in userspace for future reuse.
>> >
>> > If that happens, the HWPT is now sitting in the VMM's free pool, but the
>> > kernel still has it permanently flagged with lu_preserve = true. When
>> > the VMM later pulls that HWPT from the pool to attach to a new device
>> > (which might not need preservation), there is no way for the VMM to
>> > UNMARK it for preservation.
>>
>> Interesting.. My thinking is that a VMM that is aware of the live update
>> use case should be responsible for its own object lifecycle. It should
>> simply discard such HWPT rather than returning it to a free-list.
>>
>> My concern with adding unpreserve ioctl is that it forces a lot of
>> complex lifecycle tracking into the kernel, especially around the new
>> locking that would be needed to handle races between parallel iommufd
>> preserve/unpreserve calls.
>>
>> Given that complexity, I think the cleaner approach is to avoid the new
>> ioctl and keep the kernel-side implementation simpler.
>
>Fair point, in that case let's just make sure this contract is explicit.
>We should clearly document in the UAPI that there is no way to "UNMARK"
>an HWPT for preservation and that VMMs implementing HWPT pooling or
>dynamic attachment must destroy preserved HWPTs rather than returning
>them to a free-list if they want liveupdate support.
That sounds good to me. I will add it in the uAPI docs in next revision.
>
>Once that's documented so userspace authors know exactly what the UAPI
>expects of them, I'm on board with this approach.
>
>[ ------ >8 ------ ]
>
>> > >
>> > > LU_PRESERVE would imply that it is being preserved. Maybe
>> > > "IOMMU_HWPT_LU_MARK_PRESERVE"?
>> >
>> > Yup, sounds good! Thanks
>> >
>> > > >
>> > > > > + * @size: sizeof(struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve)
>> > > > > + * @hwpt_id: Iommufd object ID of the target HWPT
>> > > > > + * @hwpt_token: Token to identify this hwpt upon restore
>> > > > > + *
>> > > > > + * The target HWPT will be preserved during iommufd preservation.
>> > > > > + *
>> > > > > + * The hwpt_token is provided by userspace. If userspace enters a token
>> > > > > + * already in use within this iommufd, -EADDRINUSE is returned from this ioctl.
>> > > > > + */
>> > > > > +struct iommu_hwpt_lu_set_preserve {
>> > > > > + __u32 size;
>> > > > > + __u32 hwpt_id;
>> > > > > + __u32 hwpt_token;
>> > > > > +};
>> > > >
>> > > > Nit: Let's make sure we follow the 64-bit alignment as enforced in the
>> > > > rest of this file, note the __u32 __reserved fields in existing IOCTL
>> > > > structs.
>> > >
>> > > Agreed. Will update
>
>Thanks,
>Praan
Thanks,
Sami
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2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 01/14] iommu: Implement IOMMU LU FLB callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-11 21:07 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-12 16:43 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-12 23:43 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 16:47 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-13 15:36 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 16:58 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-16 22:54 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-17 1:06 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 23:27 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 02/14] iommu: Implement IOMMU core liveupdate skeleton Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-12 23:10 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-13 18:42 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:09 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-17 20:13 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:23 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-17 21:03 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-18 18:51 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-18 17:49 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 19:58 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-17 20:33 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-24 19:06 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-24 19:45 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 03/14] liveupdate: luo_file: Add internal APIs for file preservation Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-18 10:00 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-18 16:54 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 04/14] iommu/pages: Add APIs to preserve/unpreserve/restore iommu pages Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-03 16:42 ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-03 18:41 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 17:27 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:12 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-17 20:59 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20 9:28 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:27 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 11:01 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-20 18:56 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 05/14] iommupt: Implement preserve/unpreserve/restore callbacks Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 21:57 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 16:41 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 06/14] iommu/vt-d: Implement device and iommu preserve/unpreserve ops Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 16:04 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-19 16:27 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 23:01 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-21 13:27 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:32 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 07/14] iommu/vt-d: Restore IOMMU state and reclaimed domain ids Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 20:54 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20 1:05 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-22 19:51 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 19:33 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 08/14] iommu: Restore and reattach preserved domains to devices Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-10 5:16 ` Ankit Soni
2026-03-10 21:47 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-22 21:59 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:02 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 09/14] iommu/vt-d: preserve PASID table of preserved device Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-23 18:19 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-23 18:51 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 10/14] iommufd-lu: Implement ioctl to let userspace mark an HWPT to be preserved Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-19 23:35 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-20 0:40 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-20 23:34 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 16:24 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 14:37 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 17:31 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 18:55 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-03-25 20:19 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 20:36 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
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2026-03-03 5:56 ` Ankit Soni
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2026-03-23 20:28 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 21:34 ` Samiullah Khawaja
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2026-03-25 20:32 ` Samiullah Khawaja
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2026-03-23 21:38 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-25 20:24 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
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2026-03-25 21:23 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
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2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 13/14] vfio/pci: Preserve the iommufd state of the " Samiullah Khawaja
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2026-03-23 21:17 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-23 22:07 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-03-24 20:30 ` Vipin Sharma
2026-03-25 20:55 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-02-03 22:09 ` [PATCH 14/14] iommufd/selftest: Add test to verify iommufd preservation Samiullah Khawaja
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