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From: Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Hitoshi Mitake <h.mitake@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@crashcourse.ca>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:07:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adamyaavst5.fsf@cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49EDE9E9.8090905@zytor.com> (H. Peter Anvin's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:44:41 -0700")

 > Okay, I'm going to throw in yet another wrench in the machinery.

 > There are devices which really only want to use writeq() if it is an
 > inexpensive (no x86 MMX hacks) atomic operation.

Interesting example.  It does seem there are several reasonable hardware
design patters where a driver needs to know if writeq() and/or readq()
is atomic.

 > One way to deal with that is the <linux/io64*.h> method, another is with
 > feature test macros.

A further idea would be to add readq_atomic()/writeq_atomic() that
behave as the current 64-bit versions do: a single instruction,
generates a single bus cycle, etc.  Then drivers that really need to
use the full semantics that the 64-bit versions gave can use those,
while drivers that just want a convenient way to read a 64-bit register
can use readq()/writeq().

This only makes sense if we define a 32-bit fallback for
readq()/writeq() for all 32-bit architectures -- in fact it would be
good to do it in asm-generic so that there can be a single
implementation that guarantees that non-atomic versions always do, say,
low 32 bits then high 32 bits.  (So eg niu can use the generic version)
And then drivers like drivers/infiniband/hw/mthca can be switched to
"#ifndef writeq_atomic <...hardware specific fallback...>"

However I worry that this just leaves driver authors too much rope.
Choosing readq_atomic() vs. readq() is just one more thing to get wrong.

 - R.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-21 17:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-19 19:45 arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars Robert P. J. Day
2009-04-19 21:12 ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-19 21:46   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-19 22:02     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-19 22:35       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20  0:56         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  2:08           ` Robert Hancock
2009-04-20  0:53     ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-20  1:20       ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-20 10:53         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-20 14:47           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-20 16:03             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:33               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21  8:45                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-21  8:57                   ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-04-21 15:44                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:07                   ` Roland Dreier [this message]
2009-04-21 17:19                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 17:23                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 19:09                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-21 21:11                           ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-21 21:16                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-04-22  0:31                               ` David Miller
2009-04-28 19:05                                 ` [PATCH] x86: Remove readq()/writeq() on 32-bit Roland Dreier
2009-04-29  5:12                                   ` David Miller
2009-04-29 11:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-04-29 12:10                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:25                                         ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-29 19:59                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13  5:32                                             ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:19                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:39                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 23:39                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-14  0:49                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-14  7:19                                                       ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-15 23:44                                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-17  7:12                                                           ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-17  8:06                                                             ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-21 11:35                                                               ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-21 11:49                                                                 ` Hitoshi Mitake
2009-05-13 20:42                                               ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:05                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 21:30                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:31                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2009-05-13 21:54                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-13 22:06                                                 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-13 22:29                                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2009-04-29 17:21                                       ` Roland Dreier
2009-04-22  0:27                           ` arch/x86/Kconfig selects invalid HAVE_READQ, HAVE_WRITEQ vars David Miller
2009-04-22  0:25                     ` David Miller

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