how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  how about a concerted effort to remove inappropriate EXPERIMENTAL
dependencies from the Kconfig files?  there must be a truckload of
stuff that has long since matured beyond EXPERIMENTAL status that is
still tagged that way.

rday
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Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Grant Coady]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:14:22 -0400 (EDT), "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:

>
>  how about a concerted effort to remove inappropriate EXPERIMENTAL
>dependencies from the Kconfig files?  there must be a truckload of
>stuff that has long since matured beyond EXPERIMENTAL status that is
>still tagged that way.

I sent a patch to remove EXPERIMENTAL on a three year old driver couple 
months ago, it got Acked by maintainer, hwmon/adm9240.  But I dunno if 
the patch is queued somewhere or lost.

Grant.

Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Grant Coady wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:14:22 -0400 (EDT), "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:

> >  how about a concerted effort to remove inappropriate EXPERIMENTAL
> >dependencies from the Kconfig files?  there must be a truckload of
> >stuff that has long since matured beyond EXPERIMENTAL status that is
> >still tagged that way.
>
> I sent a patch to remove EXPERIMENTAL on a three year old driver
> couple months ago, it got Acked by maintainer, hwmon/adm9240.  But I
> dunno if the patch is queued somewhere or lost.

at last count, there were 437 config selections that were tagged as
EXPERIMENTAL.  i find it hard to believe that there's that much
legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely *some*
of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be dropped.

rday
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Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Roland Dreier]

I think INFINIBAND_IPOIB_CM is no long EXPERIMENTAL.  I'll remove the tag.

Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Roland Dreier wrote:

> I think INFINIBAND_IPOIB_CM is no long EXPERIMENTAL.  I'll remove the tag.

cool.  i think we need a new attribution tag here.  i'm thinking

  Nagged-incessantly-until-we-fixed-it-by:  Robert P. J. Day    :-)

rday
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Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Alan Cox]

> legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely *some*
> of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be dropped.

What is the connection between age of code and experimental status ?

Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Chris Friesen]

Alan Cox wrote:
>> legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely *some*
>> of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be dropped.
> 
> What is the connection between age of code and experimental status ?

Is it reasonable for in-tree code to remain "experimental" indefinately?

Chris

Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:15:09 -0400
"Chris Friesen" <cfriesen@nortel.com> wrote:

> Alan Cox wrote:
> >> legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely *some*
> >> of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be dropped.
> > 
> > What is the connection between age of code and experimental status ?
> 
> Is it reasonable for in-tree code to remain "experimental" indefinately?

I would certainly think so. We have stuff which is very long term
experimental (often because the vendor of the hardware won't provide
docs) but it is better to have this than nothing.

Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 01:15 -0400, Chris Friesen wrote:
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >> legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely *some*
> >> of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be dropped.
> > 
> > What is the connection between age of code and experimental status ?
> 
> Is it reasonable for in-tree code to remain "experimental" indefinately?

Or until death. E.g. "devfs" went directly from "experimental" to
"obsolete".

	Bernd
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Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Alan Cox wrote:

> > legitimately experimental content in the source tree.  surely
> > *some* of that is suitably mature such that that dependency can be
> > dropped.
>
> What is the connection between age of code and experimental status ?

  perhaps nothing, perhaps lots.  *of course* there can be features
that are both long-lived and still experimental.  just as, of course,
there is stuff that was (properly) tagged as EXPERIMENTAL ages ago
that has long since stabilized and can afford to stop being
experimental.

  just a small nagging for folks to take a quick look at what no
longer needs to be tagged that way, that's all.

rday
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Re: how much stuff is no longer "EXPERIMENTAL"?

[Stefan Richter]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> at last count, there were 437 config selections that were tagged as
> EXPERIMENTAL.

drivers/ieee1394/Kconfig and drivers/firewire/Kconfig contain three
dependencies on EXPERIMENTAL which are up to date.

So now you have got only 434 dependencies left to look at. :-)
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