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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2026 01:17:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeHsh3swBp2IZ4cX@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260417054031.GA7727@frogsfrogsfrogs>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 10:40:31PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> > > ...the memory interleaving is a rather interesting quality of famfs.
> > > There's no good way to express a formulaic meta-mapping in traditional
> > > iomap parlance, and famfs needs that to interleave across memory
> > > controllers/dimm boxen/whatever.  Throwing individual iomaps at the
> > > kernel is a very inefficient way to do that.  So I don't think there's a
> > > good reason to get rid of GET_FMAP at this time...
> > 
> > So could we make the interleaving part generic then? Striped /
> > interleaved layouts are used elsewhere (eg RAID-0, md-stripe, etc.) -
> > could we add a generic interleave descriptor to the uapi and use that
> > for what famfs needs?
> 
> I doubt it.  md-raid presents a unified LBA address space, which means
> that the filesystem doesn't have to know anything about whatever
> translations might happen underneath it.

Unless that translation happens in the file system.  It does for btrfs
right now, and it does for pNFS blocklayout.  The former is using iomap
for direct I/O (and has old code and vague plans for using it for
buffered I/O maybe eventually), the latter does not currently but would
benefit a lot, although wiring it through the NFS code will be painful.

> Most filesystems that implement striping themselves don't restrict
> themselves to monotonically increasing LBA ranges rotored across each
> device like md-raid0 does.

Mappings can be more flexible, but they usually would not in a single
iomap iteration.

> But for whatever reason, pmem/dax don't have remapping layers like
> md/dm so filesystems have to do that on their own if the hardware
> doesn't do it for them.

DM actually supports DAX.  I don't think that's a very good way as it
adds a lot of overhead for little gain for striping.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-17  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260331123702.35052-1-john@jagalactic.com>
2026-03-31 12:37 ` [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 01/10] famfs_fuse: Update macro s/FUSE_IS_DAX/FUSE_IS_VIRTIO_DAX/ John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 02/10] famfs_fuse: Basic fuse kernel ABI enablement for famfs John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 03/10] famfs_fuse: Plumb the GET_FMAP message/response John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 04/10] famfs_fuse: Create files with famfs fmaps John Groves
2026-03-31 12:38   ` [PATCH V10 05/10] famfs_fuse: GET_DAXDEV message and daxdev_table John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 06/10] famfs_fuse: Plumb dax iomap and fuse read/write/mmap John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 07/10] famfs_fuse: Add holder_operations for dax notify_failure() John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 08/10] famfs_fuse: Add DAX address_space_operations with noop_dirty_folio John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 09/10] famfs_fuse: Add famfs fmap metadata documentation John Groves
2026-03-31 12:39   ` [PATCH V10 10/10] famfs_fuse: Add documentation John Groves
2026-04-01 15:15   ` [PATCH V10 00/10] famfs: port into fuse John Groves
2026-04-06 17:43   ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-10 14:46     ` John Groves
2026-04-10 15:24       ` Bernd Schubert
2026-04-10 18:38         ` John Groves
2026-04-10 19:44           ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-14 13:19             ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-14 13:41               ` John Groves
2026-04-14 14:18                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-14 15:23                   ` John Groves
2026-04-14 18:57                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-14 22:13                   ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-14 23:36                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15  0:10                     ` John Groves
2026-04-16 15:56                       ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-16 20:14                         ` Gregory Price
2026-04-16 20:53                           ` Dan Williams
2026-04-16 22:43                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  0:44                               ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-17  5:40                                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  8:17                                   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2026-04-17 15:58                                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-17  8:13                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-17 13:30                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-17  1:24                           ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-17  6:46                             ` Gregory Price
2026-04-17  9:06                               ` Amir Goldstein
2026-04-14 22:20                   ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15  8:16                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-15 13:34                       ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15 14:04                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-15 15:10                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 15:28                             ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15 15:32                             ` Gregory Price
2026-04-15 17:12                               ` Joanne Koong
2026-04-15 19:40                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-04-14 23:53                   ` John Groves
2026-04-15  0:15                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-15  8:57                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-04-17  8:04               ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-17 19:35                 ` Joanne Koong

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