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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	timmurray@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 09:38:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aesd-ojcfSFoZjsF@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aequtFtklmfbN7n0@google.com>

On Thu 23-04-26 16:43:48, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 09:17:39AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Mon 20-04-26 14:47:04, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 09:04:31AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Thu 16-04-26 23:30:09, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > > If I send the SIGKILL first to satisfy the process_mrelease() requirement,
> > > > > we immediately run into the scheduling race condition where the victim can
> > > > > enter the exit path before the reaper can set the flag.
> > > > 
> > > > Why don't you just grab the mm before you send the signal and then continue
> > > > with reaping? You just want to avoid a race where the victim manages to
> > > > process fatal signal, start its exit path and mrelease path losing that
> > > > race so you rely on the exit path, right?
> > > 
> > > The problem is that process_mrelease() operates on a task obtained from a pidfd.
> > > 
> > > Once the victim process receives the SIGKILL and enters the exit path (exit_mm),
> > > the kernel sets task->mm to NULL.
> > > 
> > > Even if we could somehow hold a reference to the mm_struct beforehand,
> > > process_mrelease() would still fail because mm_struct via task returns NULL
> > > after exit_mm() has been called.
> > > 
> > > Therefore, we cannot simply "grab the mm" before sending the signal and expect
> > > process_mrelease() to work after the victim starts exiting.
> > 
> > I do not follow. Why cannot you simply do this
> 
> I misunderstood your point. Do you mean this?
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260421230239.172582-4-minchan@kernel.org/
> 
> There are more details to figure out.

Yes, there are couple of details to iron out. The existing
reaping has some hard requirements in place. I am all for relaxing those
where possible (ideally without much of special casing for this specific
use case) but this is much more viable solution than KILL_MRELEASE you
are introducing here. Keep in mind that fundamentally this should be a
really as simple as trigger exit_mmap after sending SIGKILL. We are
reusing a large part of oom_reaper functionality because it was
comfortable but if there are constrains that stand in the way and they
make no sense for this usecase then do not sick with them.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-24  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-13 22:39 [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 1/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedite clean file folio reclaim via mmu_gather Minchan Kim
2026-04-14  7:45   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:21     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 2/3] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement for exclusive file folios Minchan Kim
2026-04-14  7:20   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:22     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag Minchan Kim
2026-04-16  9:13   ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-17  6:30     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17  7:04       ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:47         ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23  7:17           ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23 23:43             ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24  7:38               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2026-04-14  6:57 ` [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Michal Hocko
2026-04-14 20:00   ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-15  7:38     ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-15 23:26       ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-16  6:54         ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-17  6:20           ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17  7:11             ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:53               ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23  7:50                 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23  9:49                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 22:36                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-24  0:08                       ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24  7:40                       ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-24  7:41                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 23:58                   ` Minchan Kim

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