From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
timmurray@google.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2026 09:38:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aesd-ojcfSFoZjsF@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aequtFtklmfbN7n0@google.com>
On Thu 23-04-26 16:43:48, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 09:17:39AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Mon 20-04-26 14:47:04, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 09:04:31AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Thu 16-04-26 23:30:09, Minchan Kim wrote:
> > > > > If I send the SIGKILL first to satisfy the process_mrelease() requirement,
> > > > > we immediately run into the scheduling race condition where the victim can
> > > > > enter the exit path before the reaper can set the flag.
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you just grab the mm before you send the signal and then continue
> > > > with reaping? You just want to avoid a race where the victim manages to
> > > > process fatal signal, start its exit path and mrelease path losing that
> > > > race so you rely on the exit path, right?
> > >
> > > The problem is that process_mrelease() operates on a task obtained from a pidfd.
> > >
> > > Once the victim process receives the SIGKILL and enters the exit path (exit_mm),
> > > the kernel sets task->mm to NULL.
> > >
> > > Even if we could somehow hold a reference to the mm_struct beforehand,
> > > process_mrelease() would still fail because mm_struct via task returns NULL
> > > after exit_mm() has been called.
> > >
> > > Therefore, we cannot simply "grab the mm" before sending the signal and expect
> > > process_mrelease() to work after the victim starts exiting.
> >
> > I do not follow. Why cannot you simply do this
>
> I misunderstood your point. Do you mean this?
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20260421230239.172582-4-minchan@kernel.org/
>
> There are more details to figure out.
Yes, there are couple of details to iron out. The existing
reaping has some hard requirements in place. I am all for relaxing those
where possible (ideally without much of special casing for this specific
use case) but this is much more viable solution than KILL_MRELEASE you
are introducing here. Keep in mind that fundamentally this should be a
really as simple as trigger exit_mmap after sending SIGKILL. We are
reusing a large part of oom_reaper functionality because it was
comfortable but if there are constrains that stand in the way and they
make no sense for this usecase then do not sick with them.
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-24 7:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-13 22:39 [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 1/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedite clean file folio reclaim via mmu_gather Minchan Kim
2026-04-14 7:45 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:21 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 2/3] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement for exclusive file folios Minchan Kim
2026-04-14 7:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-14 20:22 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-13 22:39 ` [RFC 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag Minchan Kim
2026-04-16 9:13 ` Christian Brauner
2026-04-17 6:30 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17 7:04 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:47 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23 7:17 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23 23:43 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24 7:38 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2026-04-14 6:57 ` [RFC 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedited reclaim and auto-kill support Michal Hocko
2026-04-14 20:00 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-15 7:38 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-15 23:26 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-16 6:54 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-17 6:20 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-17 7:11 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-20 21:53 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-23 7:50 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-23 9:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 22:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-24 0:08 ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24 7:40 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-24 7:41 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-23 23:58 ` Minchan Kim
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