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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: "Daniel Walker (danielwa)" <danielwa@cisco.com>,
	"Darko Tominac -X (dtominac - GLOBALLOGIC INC at Cisco)"
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	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
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	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
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	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
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	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/madvise: preserve uprobe breakpoints across MADV_DONTNEED
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 20:46:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <afOjk9igx9nlc9cg@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2d815203-a81e-40b4-92ba-31832c84c20b@kernel.org>

David, et al, I am sorry for the unnecessary spam but I can't resist...

On 04/30, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>
> On 4/30/26 11:16, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> >
> > But may be MADV_DONTNEED should not set zap_details.even_cows == true
> > by default ?
>
> It should. If you do mmap(MAP_PRIVATE, fd), and modify some pages, MADV_DONTNEED
> must zap these pages.

[... snip the correct explanation ...]

Ah. Sorry for the confusion, I should not have said "by default". Of course
you are right, and I understand this. At least I hope ;)

Let me try to explain what I tried to say. First of all, I still agree with
your "It shouldn't do that on a MAP_PRIVATE file-backed VMA". I also agree
with Jann who suggests to make the manpage more clear about uprobes/bps.

But, lets suppose that this "problem" is raised again, and we come to conclusion
that it should be fixed/mitigated. ("we" actually meaning you and other mm experts ;)

_In that case_. Instead of this patch (which, rightly or not, I personally dislike
in any case), can't MADV_DONTNEED paths check MMF_HAS_UPROBES or vma_has_uprobes()
to decide whether .even_cows should be true?

At least when madvise_behavior.mm != current->mm ?

Oleg.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-30 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-29 13:15 [PATCH] mm/madvise: preserve uprobe breakpoints across MADV_DONTNEED Darko Tominac
2026-04-29 13:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-29 15:24   ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-04-29 21:11     ` Daniel Walker (danielwa)
2026-04-30  9:16       ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-04-30  9:54         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-30 18:46           ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2026-04-30 19:11             ` Jann Horn
2026-04-30 15:22       ` Jann Horn
2026-04-30 19:25         ` Daniel Walker (danielwa)

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