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From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Haufe <dhaufe@simplextrading.com>,
	Cao Ruichuang <create0818@163.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/deadline: Make dl-server nohz full aware
Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 08:38:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agQcdjJ19DNmUkEP@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <agQXNT-cZaEKJXww@jlelli-thinkpadt14gen4.remote.csb>

Hi Juri,

On Wed, May 13, 2026 at 08:16:21AM +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> On 12/05/26 17:34, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > Hi Andrea,
> > 
> > On 12/05/26 16:55, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > > Hi Juri,
> > 
> > Thanks from the quick review!
> > 
> > > On Tue, May 12, 2026 at 11:02:37AM +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > > > The dl_server_timer() causes spurious IPIs on nohz_full cores, breaking
> > > > isolation guarantees. The timer executes on a housekeeping core and
> > > > eventually calls tick_nohz_dep_set_cpu(), sending IPIs to isolated cores
> > > > even when only a single task is running.
> > > > 
> > > > The problem is that dl-servers are not coordinated with nohz_full tick
> > > > state. Timers can fire and send IPIs to otherwise undisturbed cores.
> > > > 
> > > > Fix by managing servers in sched_can_stop_tick():
> > > > 
> > > > - When RT tasks run with CFS/SCX tasks, start the appropriate server
> > > >   and keep the tick running
> > > > - When only RT tasks remain, stop all servers and allow tick to stop
> > > >   (except for >1 RR tasks which need the tick for round-robin)
> > > > - When only CFS/SCX tasks remain, stop all servers before stopping tick
> > > > 
> > > > Introduce dl_servers_stop_all() to reduce duplication and abstract
> > > > server management from core.c. Unify RT handling into one block that
> > > > handles both RR and FIFO cases.
> > > > 
> > > > Fixes: 557a6bfc662c ("sched/fair: Add trivial fair server")
> > > > Reported-by: David Haufe <dhaufe@simplextrading.com>
> > > > Closes: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAKJHwtOw_G67edzuHVtL1xC5Vyt6StcZzihtDd0yaKudW=rwVw@mail.gmail.com
> > > > Signed-off-by: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > > I had to modify my first original attempt at fixing this (please take a
> > > > look at the linked report/discussion) to also take SCX into
> > > > consideration.
> > > 
> > > As mentioned by Frederic, we don't allow to load BPF schedulers when isolcpus=
> > > is used, so I think we can simplify the sched_can_stop_tick() part.
> > 
> > Right! Thanks for confirming.
> 
> Ah, but wait. IIUC SCX is incopatible with isolcpus=domain only?
> scx_can_stop_tick() seems to confirm we need to take care of it when
> domain flag is not present.
> 
> So, maybe we still need to consider SCX in this patch? e.g. in
> configurations that are not using static domain isolation, but isolate
> CPUs by configuring tasks affinities.

Ah! That's right. SCX is incompatible with isolcpus=domain, but we do support
nohz_full=..., so I think your original approach is correct. It might be worth
calling out explicitly in the patch description that the SCX handling targets
nohz_full, so we don't make the same mistake in the future.

Thanks,
-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-13  6:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-12  9:02 [PATCH] sched/deadline: Make dl-server nohz full aware Juri Lelli
2026-05-12 10:06 ` Furkan Çalışkan
2026-05-12 12:27   ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-12 14:03 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-05-12 15:31   ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-12 14:55 ` Andrea Righi
2026-05-12 15:34   ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-13  6:16     ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-13  6:38       ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2026-05-13 12:09         ` Frederic Weisbecker

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