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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: HZ, preferably as small as possible
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 05:15:50 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <agtlq6$iht$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.3.96.1020711162333.5732C-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com

In article <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020711162333.5732C-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>,
Bill Davidsen  <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Martin Dalecki wrote:
>
>> vmstat.c:
>> 
>> hz = sysconf(_SC_CLK_TCK);	/* get ticks/s from system */
>> 
>> And yes I know the libproc is *evil* in this area.
>> The rest should be an implementation detail of sysconf().
>
>Yes, any of the changes need to make the dynamic value available to
>programs.

No they don't.

Have people looked at the 2.5.x patches?

CLK_TCK is 100 on x86. As it has always been. User land should never
care about whatever random value the kernel happens to use for the
actual timer tick at that particular moment. Especially since the kernel
internal timer tick may well be variable some day.

The fact that libproc believes that HZ can change is _their_ problem.
I've told people over and over that user-level HZ is a constant (and, on
x86, that constant is 100), and that won't change.

So in current 2.5.x times() still counts at 100Hz, and /proc files that
export clock_t still show the same 100Hz rate.

The fact that the kernel internally counts at some different rate should
be _totally_ invisible to user programs (except they get better latency
for stuff like select() and other timeouts).

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-15  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-11  2:46 HZ, preferably as small as possible Grover, Andrew
2002-07-11  3:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-07-11 11:45   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 17:08   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-11 19:21     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-16  9:17       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-07-11 20:34     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-12 12:01       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-15  5:15       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-07-15  6:56         ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15  8:24           ` Russell King
2002-07-15 15:48             ` David Mosberger
2002-07-15 18:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 18:30                 ` David Mosberger
2002-07-15 16:07             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 17:06               ` Russell King
2002-07-15 18:43                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15 18:53                   ` Russell King
2002-07-15 18:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 20:15                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-07-15  8:58         ` Dave Mielke
2002-07-11  7:09 ` george anzinger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-10 19:59 Grover, Andrew
2002-07-10 21:09 ` george anzinger
2002-07-11  6:03   ` Hannu Savolainen
2002-07-11  7:15     ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  0:36       ` Stevie O
2002-07-12  0:50         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12  0:55           ` Robert Love
2002-07-12  0:58             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12  1:24             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12  1:37             ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-12  1:09         ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  1:26           ` Roland Dreier
2002-07-12 17:30             ` george anzinger
2002-07-12  1:35           ` Stevie O
2002-07-12  3:01         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2002-07-11 12:54     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-11 15:59       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-10 21:28 ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 21:35   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-10 21:38     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-10 21:42       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-07-11  2:14         ` CaT
2002-07-11 17:01     ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-10 22:01   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:09     ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-10 22:41     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:47       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 22:49       ` Eli Carter
2002-07-10 23:05         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 23:08       ` Dave Mielke
2002-07-10 23:13         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-10 23:50     ` J.A. Magallon
2002-07-11  0:28   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-07-11 11:35     ` Kasper Dupont
2002-07-11 12:30       ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 13:37         ` Kasper Dupont
2002-07-11 15:46           ` Alan Cox
2002-07-11 18:51       ` george anzinger
2002-07-15  5:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 16:26   ` Robert Love
2002-07-15 18:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-15 19:52       ` mbs
2002-07-15 20:01         ` yodaiken
2002-07-16 11:41   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-17 19:33   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17 20:31     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-17 20:40       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-17 21:02         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-17 21:02       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-17 21:16         ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 12:57         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-18 13:25           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-18 10:10       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-07-17 20:55     ` Linus Torvalds

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