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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5
Date: 15 Jul 2002 22:46:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ah0bv9$ldv$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20020714003425.GC29007@codepoet.org

Followup to:  <20020714003425.GC29007@codepoet.org>
By author:    Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>   
> Of course making user space do this is pretty lame.  But we
> have a much better way.  Each cdrom device registers with the
> uniform cdrom driver, which can easily assign each registered
> cdrom device a major and minor.  That scanning for cdroms would
> be as simple as
>     for i in /dev/cdrom* ; do
> 	open ($i, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK)) < 0) {
> 	    /* Found a cdrom drive */
> 	}
>     

Yes, something like that would be nice.

However, the case still remains that I think Linus' proposed overall
packet infrastructure is the right thing to do.  That way a uniform
API would be available for poking at any device that supports MMC (is
that the correct term these days?) commands, regardless of the type
of device and the lower-level transports.

People have -- correctly -- corrected me on the "ATAPI = SCSI over
IDE" issue.  When I think of SCSI, I tend to think of what a network
engineer would call "the upper data link layer", i.e. the command
packet frame format.  I did not mean to imply that the physical
interface (PHY), or the lower data link layer (MAC) where the same.  I
also realize that there are differences, but *from what I've seen*
they seem to be relatively minor.

I meant to start a discussion, not "call a vote", especially not
w.r.t. the lower-level implementation details.

	-hpa

-- 
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"Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot."
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-16  5:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-12 19:55 IDE/ATAPI in 2.5 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 20:19 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-13  5:40 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 10:52   ` Anssi Saari
2002-07-14  0:35     ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-13 16:53   ` Olivier Galibert
2002-07-14  0:34     ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-16  5:46       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-17 14:58 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-17 13:46 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-17 14:00 ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-17 12:32 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-17 13:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-17 13:54 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-16 17:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 17:34 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:30 Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-16 14:06 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-16 14:17 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-16 14:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 12:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 14:28 ` Jauder Ho
2002-07-16 16:08   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-16 11:28 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16  9:33 ` James Bottomley
2002-07-16 11:43 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-16 11:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-07-16 11:59 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-07-16 11:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 10:47 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 18:27 Nick Bellinger
2002-07-15 20:12 ` Jauder Ho
2002-07-16  7:49 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-15 15:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 13:26 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16  3:16 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-07-15 13:07 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-16 10:16 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-15 12:58 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 12:27 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 11:27 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 14:52 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15 11:09 James Bottomley
2002-07-15  9:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15 11:23 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2002-07-15 12:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2002-07-15 13:17 ` venom
2002-07-14 20:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:13 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:18 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-15  9:11   ` venom
2002-07-15 10:01 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-14 20:04 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 20:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 20:21   ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 20:27     ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0207141704280.21492-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-07-14 21:09       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 21:46     ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 20:43       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 21:59         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 20:54           ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-14 21:09             ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-14 22:20               ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 21:07           ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 22:07             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 22:14               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-15  3:34                 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15  3:38                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-15  3:44                     ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15  4:36                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-14 20:45       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-14 20:49       ` Daniel Egger
2002-07-14 19:41 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:51 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 19:27 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 19:10 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:22 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:11 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 18:40 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:06   ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:15     ` Sean Neakums
2002-07-14 19:42       ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 19:02 ` Willy TARREAU
2002-07-14 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.33.0207150831080.29242-100000@pc-3.office.scali.no>
2002-07-15  6:54     ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-14 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:27 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 15:12 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 16:45 ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <mailman.1026651901.18426.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2002-07-14 15:05 ` Pete Zaitcev
2002-07-14 14:28 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:45 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:52   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:46 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:56 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14 14:18 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:35 ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-14 15:00 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-14 19:13 ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-07-14 14:07 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 15:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-18 18:51 ` Kelsey Hudson
2002-07-14 14:00 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-15  0:29 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-14 13:55 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:47 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:31 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 21:23 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-14 13:26 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:28 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:24 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:39 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-14 14:10 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:35 ` Adrian Bunk
2002-07-14 16:52   ` Kurt Garloff
2002-07-14 13:17 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 14:03 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 14:44 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14 13:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 13:59 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-14 13:02 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:50 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:44 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:38 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 12:32 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-14 16:01 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-14  6:20 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-14 15:22 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-13 23:27 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 23:47 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-13 14:46 Adam J. Richter
2002-07-13 15:38 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 20:08 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:31 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:57 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 21:17 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13  5:49   ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12 19:49 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:58 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:38   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 21:05 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:37 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12 19:52 ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-13  6:36   ` jbradford
2002-07-13 14:25     ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 13:55       ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 15:31         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:31           ` Thomas Molina
2002-07-13 14:07       ` jbradford
2002-07-13 15:32         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-13 14:36           ` jbradford
2002-07-15 11:47   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-07-15 18:44     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 20:06 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 19:25 Joerg Schilling
2002-07-12  0:27 H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12  0:37 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12  1:00 ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12  1:23   ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12  5:03   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12  4:13 ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12  4:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12  4:44     ` Erik Andersen
2002-07-12  4:46       ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12  5:03         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12  5:11           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 13:15             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 10:24             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-16  5:28               ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 12:11 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 12:51   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 14:17     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 14:29       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 14:41         ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:00           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 15:05             ` Jens Axboe
2002-07-12 15:41           ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 15:35         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-14  8:19         ` Paul Bristow
2002-07-14  9:11           ` jbradford
2002-07-14  9:16           ` Matthew D. Pitts
2002-07-14 14:04           ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-14 16:56             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-12 15:26     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 13:22   ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 13:07     ` Tomas Szepe
2002-07-12 14:06       ` Alan Cox
2002-07-12 15:34       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-07-12 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-07-12 18:33     ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 18:54       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2002-07-12 18:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-07-12 19:35         ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-07-12 19:06       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2002-07-12 23:17     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-12 15:02 ` Kevin P. Fleming
2002-07-12 15:10   ` Martin Dalecki
2002-07-12 16:47   ` Andre Hedrick

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