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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	david@kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	tj@kernel.org, mkoutny@suse.com,  roman.gushchin@linux.dev,
	liam@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ljs@kernel.org,
	 mhocko@suse.com, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	vbabka@kernel.org,  kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] mm/vmpressure: reduce CPU, memory and code overhead on cgroup v2
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2026 15:26:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aidBd3Us5FSBKZVo@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <744aae62-ad99-4534-906e-92ddad978ee1@linux.dev>

On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 10:19:36PM +0100, Usama Arif wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2026 20:56, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 08, 2026 at 07:49:45PM +0100, Usama Arif wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> For this, I am wondering if we should just go ahead and work towards making
> >>> vmpressure memcg-v1 only unless we foresee a lot of or complex work is needed
> >>> for that and only then patch 2 makes sense.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think there might be a transition needed? Because vmpressure and PSI
> >> do not work out to be the same and people might notice a regression with
> >> increased memory usage or a hit in networking performance and might want to
> >> opt out? A solution might be to switch socket pressure to PSI while
> >> keeping vmpressure around gated by a defconfig. And then in a few releases
> >> remove it completely for cgroup v2 if no one complaints. If we go down that
> >> path, we would need patch 2 for the medium term.
> > 
> > Yeah the reasoning that PSI is not an exact replacement for vmpressure makes
> > sense and it will take couple of iterations to transition v2 (networking) away
> > from vmpressure. Can you please update your commit message with this and about
> > the midterm or transition plan.
> > 
> > I assume eventually we will just have vmpressure-v1.c file which will be behind
> > MEMCG_V1 flag, correct?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> How about something like below in the commit message? :
> 
> This split is the first step toward eventually making vmpressure
> CONFIG_MEMCG_V1 only. The v2 in-kernel socket pressure path
> (tree=false) cannot be removed today immediately: PSI is not an
> exact replacement for vmpressure, and switching networking socket-buffer
> back-off to PSI may regress networking performance or increase memory pressure
> in workloads that today rely on vmpressure's hysteresis. The medium-term plan is
> to introduce a PSI-based socket-pressure path, keep vmpressure available for
> v2 behind a defconfig as an opt-out for several releases, and only then
> drop the tree=false path entirely, at which point everything that
> remains in mm/vmpressure-v1.c is the whole subsystem.
> 

This looks good to me.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-06-08 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-06 11:41 [PATCH 0/2] mm/vmpressure: reduce CPU, memory and code overhead on cgroup v2 Usama Arif
2026-06-06 11:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm/vmpressure: skip tree=true accounting " Usama Arif
2026-06-08 17:06   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-06 11:41 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm/vmpressure: split v1 userspace eventfd code into vmpressure-v1.c Usama Arif
2026-06-08 17:05 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm/vmpressure: reduce CPU, memory and code overhead on cgroup v2 Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 18:49   ` Usama Arif
2026-06-08 19:56     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-06-08 21:19       ` Usama Arif
2026-06-08 22:26         ` Shakeel Butt [this message]

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