The Linux Kernel Mailing List
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
	Shivaji Kant <shivajikant@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 6/7] nfs: Optimize direct I/O to use folios for requests
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2026 12:32:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ajU2xJ1BAqqtog8T@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ajQ21kH1ZVajS2Y7@casper.infradead.org>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 07:20:06PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

Hi Matthew, Christoph, Trond,

> On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 07:10:45AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2026 at 05:23:48PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> > > AFAIU, the MM subsystem explicitly ensures that every valid struct page
> > > is part of a folio.
> > 
> > It is definitively not what the vision for the folio is, although if
> > I'm not mistaken it actually is still true right now.
> 
> It's not true, eg, for slab.  While there's still a struct page there
> for slab, there's no refcount and flags like PG_locked have different
> meanings.  You'll get into a lot of trouble trying to treat slabs as
> folios (and that will include assertions tripping).
> 
> > This whole
> > area is a minefield unfortunately, and we also ran into it with
> > iov_iter_extract_bvecs and the earlier block code it was extracted
> > from.  Adding the relevant people and lists, but for now your best
> > bet is to stick to what the block code does or even better reuse
> > as much as possible of that code.
> 
> Yes.  Fundamentally, it is no business of the filesystem what the iov_iter
> refers to.  We can do direct io to slab memory, vmalloc memory, memory
> that doesn't have a struct page (eg iomem), or whatever we choose.
> 

Thanks for the clarification. I understand the larger vision of keeping
filesystems agnostic to the underlying memory represented by the iov_iter

The documentation for page_folio() [1] mentions that "Every page is part
of a folio," but it appears there are important nuances regarding slab
and other memory types that I was not aware of.

However, I am a bit confused on one point:
Looking at iov_iter_extract_bvecs() [1] it relies on 
get_contig_folio_len() [2], which calls page_folio() on the pages 
extracted (via iov_iter_extract_pages()) without additional checks for
slab or vmalloc memory. 

I am happy to refactor the NFS Direct I/O path to reuse the same helper
(get_contig_folio_len()) from the bvec extractor, but I'm a little 
confused as the bvec extractor seems to suffer from the same risk?

Is the recommendation to keep these details abstracted by the iov_iter
lib and eventually hide things like iov_iter_extract_pages() and manual
folio conversions from filesystems entirely?

If that's the case, would it help to export get_contig_folio_len() (or 
introduce new helpers) in the iov_iter lib for NFS and other fs to use?

Thanks,
Praan

[1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v7.1-rc6/source/include/linux/page-flags.h#L291
[2] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v7.1/source/lib/iov_iter.c#L1849



  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-19 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-16 13:39 [PATCH v2 0/7] nfs: Modernize Direct I/O path Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] nfs: make nfs_page pin-aware Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] nfs: Track number of pinned pages in nfs_page Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] nfs: Introduce nfs_release_request_list helper Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] nfs: migrate direct I/O to iov_iter_extract_pages Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] nfs: introduce nfs_direct_extract_pages helper Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 13:39 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] nfs: Optimize direct I/O to use folios for requests Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 15:29   ` Trond Myklebust
2026-06-16 17:23     ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-18 14:10       ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-06-18 18:20         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-19 12:32           ` Pranjal Shrivastava [this message]
2026-06-16 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] nfs: Cleanup the nfs_page_create_from_page helper Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-16 14:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] nfs: Modernize Direct I/O path Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-18 13:46 ` Chuck Lever
2026-06-19 11:50   ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-06-18 14:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-06-19 11:48   ` Pranjal Shrivastava

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ajU2xJ1BAqqtog8T@google.com \
    --to=praan@google.com \
    --cc=anna@kernel.org \
    --cc=hch@infradead.org \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=shivajikant@google.com \
    --cc=trondmy@kernel.org \
    --cc=willy@infradead.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox