From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: "T.J. Mercier" <tjmercier@google.com>
Cc: Richard Chang <richardycc@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Kairui Song <kasong@tencent.com>, Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Martin Liu <liumartin@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: vmscan: abort proactive reclaim early when freezing
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2026 09:51:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ak5-qwmpXrYi5md6@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABdmKX2C-XPN7Z3G7joSHUxhzEmp5dgNf_oA_ojQ_coM_CmvPQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jul 08, 2026 at 09:03:17AM -0700, T.J. Mercier wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2026 at 8:48 AM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 08, 2026 at 03:24:15PM +0800, Richard Chang wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2026 at 12:54 PM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What's so special about proactive reclaim? Why the same situation can not happen
> > > > for global or memcg reclaim?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The target batch size of the global/memcg reclaim is typically very
> > > small -- usually SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX (32 pages), allowing the task to
> > > yield or check signals between attempts.
> > > Furthermore, kswapd is a kernel thread designed to be freezable, it
> > > explicitly checks kthread_freezable_should_stop() in the main loop.
> > > In contrast, the target batch size in proactive reclaim is
> > > user-defined and can be extremely large. Without signal checks in the
> > > inner loops, the task may continue scanning and evicting pages for
> > > seconds at a time.
> >
> > Why can't the proactive reclaim use the same batch size as memcg and global
> > reclaim?
>
> Because it is very slow:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240202233855.1236422-1-tjmercier@google.com/
Yes, we should fix reclaim and preferrably have single solution for all types of
reclaim. Though that is orthogonal and out of scope for this patch.
The reason behind my questioning is that the commit message should have all of
this information from the start instead of requiring readers to extract all of
this.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-08 16:51 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-06 8:12 [PATCH] mm: vmscan: abort proactive reclaim early when freezing Richard Chang
2026-07-06 12:54 ` Barry Song
2026-07-07 8:00 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-06 23:38 ` Andrew Morton
2026-07-07 10:13 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-07 2:20 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-07 8:04 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-07 18:28 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-07 19:48 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-07-08 4:14 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-08 4:54 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-07-08 7:24 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-08 15:47 ` Shakeel Butt
2026-07-08 16:03 ` T.J. Mercier
2026-07-08 16:51 ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2026-07-09 7:22 ` [PATCH v2] mm: vmscan: abort proactive reclaim early when freezing for suspend Richard Chang
2026-07-09 12:06 ` Michal Hocko
2026-07-10 3:29 ` Richard Chang
2026-07-10 6:27 ` Michal Hocko
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