From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:52:26 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0911300722370.2872@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091130100041.GA29610@infradead.org>
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>
> How long will this use be around? I've seen some slow progress toward
> replacing most read side uses of the task list lock with RCU. While we
> still have lots of read side users now I wonder when they'll go away.
tasklist_lock is pretty nasty. I threw out "replace it with RCU" because
it would be nice, but the data structures used are not just simple linked
lists that we have RCU helpers for traversing.
There are various real exclusion rules about things like 'tsk->exit_state'
etc, which do not translate directly to RCU usage. Of course, _maybe_ all
the places that care already take the thing for writing and would just
automatically have exclusion anyway.
So I'd love to see somebody try to do the conversion. To a first
approximation, you probably could do
- turn tasklist_lock into a spinlock
- sed 's/write_lock_irq(&tasklist_lock)/spin_lock(&tasklist_lock)/g'
sed 's/write_unlock_irq(&tasklist_lock)/spin_unlock(&tasklist_lock)/g'
- sed 's/read_lock(&tasklist_lock)/rcu_read_lock()/g'
sed 's/read_unlock(&tasklist_lock)/rcu_read_unlock()/g'
- make all the task lists use the RCU versions of the list routines
- free the task structure using RCU
and you'd be _pretty_ close to a working system.
But I'd worry about current read-lockers that depend on things like that
tsk->exit_state thing being stable from just read-locking (since only
write-lockers should change it). So you can _probably_ do 99% of it fairly
mindlessly, but the remaining 1% is the subtle stuff.
Maybe it's easier than I think. Or maybe I've totally ignored something,
and there are much much worse issues than the occasional exit_state thing.
(Things like 'tsk->mm' are already protected by per-task locks, but there
may be other things that depend on holding tasklist lock for exclusion).
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-30 15:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 14:54 [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:19 ` David Miller
2009-11-25 6:52 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 8:56 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-24 20:47 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 6:54 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-25 8:48 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-25 13:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-28 2:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 11:15 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-28 15:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-29 18:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 7:57 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 7:55 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 15:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 15:40 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 16:17 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 17:13 ` Nick Piggin
2009-11-30 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-12-01 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 18:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-11-30 10:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-11-30 15:52 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-11-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-11-30 21:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 21:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-11-30 22:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-11-30 22:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-11-30 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-01 17:37 ` [PATCH] audit: Call tty_audit_push_task() outside preempt disabled region Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-01 18:22 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-01 19:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-12-06 3:12 ` [rfc] "fair" rw spinlocks Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-07 22:35 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-07 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 1:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-08 2:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-08 2:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-07 18:32 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 20:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-09 15:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-07 22:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-09 15:37 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-12-10 3:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 6:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-10 10:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-10 16:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-01 19:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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