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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli <ananth@in.ibm.com>,
	Jim Keniston <jkenisto@us.ibm.com>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Kyle Moffett <kyle@moffetthome.net>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	linux-next@vger.kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	utrace-devel@redhat.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: linux-next: add utrace tree
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:59:28 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1001300955570.4206@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1264873751.4561.9155.camel@frodo>



On Sat, 30 Jan 2010, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> 
> The kernel is limited to what instructions it can perform, no floating
> point for example (of course there are some exceptions).

Actually, the reason the kernel is limited to not performing floating 
point instructions is that teh kernel doesn't own the floating point 
register set - it's too big to save/restore, so the kernel leaves it 
alone.

But for emulating an instruction from user space, it would be perfectly 
fine to do an FP instruction in kernel space, since we're explicitly doing 
it on behalf of user space, and with user space owning it.

Of course, that would require that we _only_ touch the registers that user 
space wants us to touch, which is likely impossible in practice for 
anything but an execute-out-of-line model.

> But generally, the instructions in the kernel should be easier to 
> emulate than in userspace.

Yeah, we control the kernel instructions better, and we know what the 
environment is. For example, we never have to worry about vm86 mode or 
segments when we fix up kernel instructions, but user space can do 
anything, of course.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-30 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2010-01-20  0:12 ` linux-next: add utrace tree Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20  5:49   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:15     ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20  6:28       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20  6:40         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-20 10:43           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-20  6:59         ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-20 13:24           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-20  7:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-20 14:38           ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-21  1:22             ` Roland McGrath
2010-01-22  0:17             ` Stephen Rothwell
2010-01-22  0:30               ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:31                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  0:51                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:05                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-01-22  1:25                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  1:32                         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  2:22                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22  2:35                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 20:51                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-23  6:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 12:03                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-24 16:36                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-22  1:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22  5:21                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-22 13:43                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-22 19:39                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 13:58                             ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-22 18:28                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-22 20:01                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 20:16                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-22 21:44                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-22 21:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-22 22:13                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23  0:11                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  0:22                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-23  6:20                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-23 11:01                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-23 11:51                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 15:57                                         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2010-01-23 11:23                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-23 11:47                                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-23 19:48                                           ` tytso
2010-01-24 18:01                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25  1:42                                             ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-25  4:55                                               ` tytso
2010-01-25 16:52                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:02                                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 17:36                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:45                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 17:54                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:03                                                       ` Alan Cox
2010-01-25 18:12                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25 18:30                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-25 18:45                                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-01-25 20:34                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-25 20:30                                                     ` Mark Wielaard
2010-01-25 20:42                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26  0:02                                                         ` Renzo Davoli
2010-01-26  0:07                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:08                                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2010-01-26 16:28                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 16:34                                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-01-28 23:53                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-01-29  0:21                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-25  4:59                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-25 10:13                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-24  5:04                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-24 10:25                                         ` tytso
2010-01-24 13:20                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-25 21:05                                         ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-25 21:41                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 14:21                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-26 23:20                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-26 23:37                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27  6:52                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27  8:54                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-28  1:52                                                     ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-28  8:55                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  0:59                                                         ` Jim Keniston
2010-01-29  7:39                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  7:52                                                             ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:55                                                               ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:16                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:11                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29  9:31                                                                 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  9:51                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-29 18:13                                                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-29  4:55                                                         ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-29  7:42                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-01-30 17:49                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-30 17:59                                                               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-02-02  6:47                                                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-01-27 10:43                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 10:55                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 10:58                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:04                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-27 16:01                                                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-27 11:05                                                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-01-27 11:08                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-27 11:20                                                           ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2010-02-08 10:09                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-01-27 11:07                                                     ` Srikar Dronamraju
2010-01-27 13:59                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-27 17:42                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27 18:53                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-02-08  6:54                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2010-02-08  9:30                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-02-08  9:53                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-01-27 19:18                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2010-01-27  0:38                                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 15:00                                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2010-01-26 17:33                                           ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 18:46                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2010-01-26 21:02                                               ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 21:53                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 22:03                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-01-26 23:32                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 21:30                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-26 23:27                                             ` Tom Tromey
2010-01-23  8:05                                     ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-01-22 17:45                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2010-01-20  8:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-20 13:01         ` Frank Ch. Eigler

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