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On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
> When you asked that nouveau was merged, people explicitly told you that 
> the reason it hadn't been was because the interface was unstable and 
> userspace would break. You asked that it be merged anyway, and now 
> you're unhappy because the interface has changed and userspace has 
> broken?

How hard is it to understand basic kernel development rules? 

Nouveau was in Fedora-12. In fact, it was in Fedora-11 too afaik. People 
can hide behind all the "staging" and "I asked for it" things they like, 
but that doesn't change simple basic facts: distros should make sure 
drivers get merged up-stream, and people end up depending on them.

Btw, I'm hoping some of this pain goes away for me, because I expect to 
get rid of the shitty nVidia card reasonably soon. The fact that my main 
box had a power supply that literally _required_ a power-sucking-piece- 
of-sh*t-graphics card has been painful to me.

But none of that changes my basic objections. I didn't ask for nouveau to 
be merged as staging - I asked it to be merged because a major distro uses 
it.

			Linus