From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756885Ab0CDTOw (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:14:52 -0500 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:33182 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755235Ab0CDTOu (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:14:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:14:11 -0800 (PST) From: Linus Torvalds X-X-Sender: torvalds@localhost.localdomain To: Matthew Garrett cc: Dave Airlie , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.sf.net Subject: Re: [git pull] drm request 3 In-Reply-To: <20100304190450.GA23807@srcf.ucam.org> Message-ID: References: <20100304185002.GA23532@srcf.ucam.org> <20100304190450.GA23807@srcf.ucam.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > If you'd made it clear that you wanted the interface to be stable > before it got merged, I suspect that it simply wouldn't have been merged > until the interface was stable. What kind of excuse is that? It's "we did bad things, but if we didn't do those bad things, we'd have done _other_ bad things"? Two wrong choices don't make a right. Nobody has even answered me whether this is _forwards_compatible. It clearly isn't backwards-compatible. IOW, is there _any_ way to move back-and-forth over that commit, even if I can find a new libdrm? IOW, we know we have a problem here. But what's the solution? I know I can revert it (I tried, I'm running that kernel now, nouveau works). That's not a good solution, I know. But can you offer me a _better_ one? One that doesn't involve "upgrade all the way to rawhide, and lose the ability to bisect anything, or run plain 2.6.33". So yes, I'm complaining. But I at least have mentioned one solution. You, in contast, are just making excuses with no solutions. Linus