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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Paul Fulghum <paulkf@microgate.com>
Cc: Boyan <btanastasov@yahoo.co.uk>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Ed Tomlinson <edt@aei.ca>,
	"OGAWA Hirofumi \"" <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [Bug #14388] keyboard under X with 2.6.31
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:05:47 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910131804420.6146@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0910131744590.3404@localhost.localdomain>


Oops, you'll probably get this twice, because 'alpine' core-dumped on me 
and I'm not sure the first one actually made it out. 

		Linus

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Paul Fulghum wrote:
> > 
> > This is correct, the last buffer is not passed to tty_buffer_free()
> > if it is the last in the list so tail is maintained.
> > There is no free space in it so no new data can be added.
> > There is no place where tail is null while the spinlock
> > is released in preparation for calling receive_buf.
> > I still can't spot any flaw in the current locking.
> 
> Do you even bother reading my emails?
> 
> Let me walk through an example of where the locking F*CKS UP, exactly 
> because it's broken.
> 
> 	thread1		thread2		thread3
> 
> 	flush_to_ldisc
> 	set_bit(TTY_FLUSHING)
> 	buf.head = NULL
> 	...
> 	..release lock..
> 	.. sleep in ->receive_buf ..
> 
> 			flush_to_ldisc
> 			set_bit(TTY_FLUSHING)
> 			.. head==NULL ..
> 			clear_bit(TTY_FLUSHING)
> 			.. release lock ..
> 
> 					tty_ldisc_flush()
> 					-> tty_buffer_flush()
> 					TTY_FLUSHING not set!
> 					-> __tty_buffer_flush()
> 					-> tty->buf.tail = NULL
> 
> and now you're screwed. See? You have both 'buf.tail' and 'buf.head' both 
> being NULL, and look what happens in that case 'tty_buffer_request_room()' 
> if some new data comes in? Right: it will add the buffer to both tail and 
> head.
> 
> And notice how 'thread1' is still inside flush_to_ldisc()! The buffer that 
> got added will be overwritten by the old one, and now tail and head no 
> longer match. Or another flush_to_ldisc() comes in, and now it won't be a 
> no-op any more, and it will find the new data, and run ->receive_buf 
> concurrently with the old receive_buf from thread1.
> 
> And the whole reason was that there were some very odd locking rules: 
> buf.head=NULL meant "don't flush", and "TTY_FLUSHING is set" meant "don't 
> clear 'buf.head'", and but the "don't flush" case still cleared 
> TTY_FLUSHING (after not flushing), and it all messed up.
> 
> I could just have fixed it (move the "clear_bit(TTY_FLUSHING)" but up, but 
> the fact is, once you fix that, it then becomes obvious that 
> "buf.head=NULL" really is the wrong thing to test in the first place, and 
> we should just use TTY_FLUSHING instead, and simply _remove_ the odd 
> "buf.head=NULL is special" case. Which is what my patch did
> 
> > Your statement that the locking is too clever/subtle is
> > clearly true since I am struggling to work this out again.
> 
> I have to say that the only case I could make up that is _clearly_ a bug 
> is the above very contrieved example. I don't really think something like 
> the above happens in reality. But it's an example of bad locking, and what 
> happens when the locking logic isn't obvious.
> 
> There may be other cases where the locking fails, and I just didn't find 
> them. 
> 
> Or the patch may simply not fix anything in practice, and nobody has ever 
> actually triggered the bad locking in real life. I dunno. I just do know 
> that the locking was too damn subtle.
> 
> Any time people do ad-hoc locking with "clever" schemes, it's almost 
> invariably buggy. So the rule is: just don't do that. Make the locking 
> rules "obvious".  Don't have subtle rules about "if head is NULL, then 
> we're not going to add any new buffers to it, except if tail is also 
> NULL". Because look above what happens, and see how complicated it was to 
> even see the bug.
> 
> 			Linus
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-14  1:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-11 22:41 2.6.32-rc4: Reported regressions 2.6.30 -> 2.6.31 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 22:41 ` [Bug #13645] NULL pointer dereference at (null) (level2_spare_pgt) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 22:49 ` [Bug #13733] 2.6.31-rc2: irq 16: nobody cared Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13906] Huawei E169 GPRS connection causes Ooops Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13940] 2.6.31-rc1 - iwlagn and sky2 stopped working when ACPI enabled - Toshiba U400-17b, Acer Aspire 8935G Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13941] x86 Geode issue Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13809] oprofile: possible circular locking dependency detected Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13836] suspend script fails, related to stdout? Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13943] WARNING: at net/mac80211/mlme.c:2292 with ath5k Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12  7:24   ` Fabio Comolli
2009-10-12 21:23     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-13  8:46       ` Fabio Comolli
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13987] Received NMI interrupt at resume Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #13948] ath5k broken after suspend-to-ram Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12  0:19   ` Bob Copeland
2009-10-12 21:24     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-15 21:38       ` Johannes Stezenbach
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14058] Oops in fsnotify Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14017] _end symbol missing from Symbol.map Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14070] lockdep warning triggered by dup_fd Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 17:10   ` Bart Van Assche
2009-10-12 21:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14013] hd don't show up Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14114] Tuning a saa7134 based card is broken in kernel 2.6.31-rc7 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14090] WARNING: at fs/notify/inotify/inotify_user.c:394 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14141] order 2 page allocation failures in iwlagn Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:57   ` Frans Pop
2009-10-12 21:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14137] usb console regressions Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14129] 2.6.31 regression - pci_get_slot oops, udev boot hang - toshiba X200 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14157] end_request: I/O error, dev cciss/cXdX, sector 0 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14143] OOPS when setting nr_requests for md devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 14:21   ` Chuck Ebbert
2009-10-12 21:30     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14181] b43 causes panic at ifconfig down / shutdown Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14252] WARNING: at include/linux/skbuff.h:1382 w/ e1000 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 10:49   ` David Miller
2009-10-12 11:44     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14204] MCE prevent booting on my computer(pentium iii @500Mhz) Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14185] Oops in driversbasefirmware_class Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14249] BUG: oops in gss_validate on 2.6.31 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14248] 2.6.31 wireless: WARNING: at net/wireless/ibss.c:34 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14256] kernel BUG at fs/ext3/super.c:435 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14258] Memory leak in SCSI initialization Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-15  2:30   ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14257] Not able to boot on 32 bit System Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14253] Oops in driversbasefirmware_class Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14261] e1000e jumbo frames no longer work: 'Unsupported MTU setting' Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12  3:12   ` David Miller
2009-10-12 21:32     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14264] ehci problem - mouse dead on scroll Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-13 15:35   ` Alan Stern
2009-10-13 15:55     ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2009-10-13 20:39       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14265] ifconfig: page allocation failure. order:5, mode:0x8020 w/ e100 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 11:05   ` David Miller
2009-10-13 12:29     ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14275] kernel>=2.6.31: ahci.c: do not force unconditionally sb600 to 32bit dma any more? Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 14:39   ` Chuck Ebbert
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14266] regression in page writeback Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12  1:02   ` Shaohua Li
2009-10-12 21:34     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14267] Disassociating atheros wlan Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:11   ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-12 21:35     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14294] kernel BUG at drivers/ide/ide-disk.c:187 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 10:51   ` David Miller
2009-10-12 12:09     ` Santiago Garcia Mantinan
2009-10-12 21:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 23:21       ` David Miller
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14329] Sata disk doesn't wake up after S3 suspend Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14385] DMAR regression in 2.6.31 leads to ext4 corruption? Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14309] MCA on hp rx8640 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14301] WARNING: at net/ipv4/af_inet.c:154 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14377] "conservative" cpufreq governor broken Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12  1:47   ` Steven Noonan
2009-10-12 21:39     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14391] use after free of struct powernow_k8_data Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-11 23:01 ` [Bug #14388] keyboard under X with 2.6.31 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 18:53   ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-12 21:41     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 22:59     ` Nix
2009-10-12 23:38       ` Alan Cox
2009-10-12 23:46         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-10-13  0:14           ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-13 11:00           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 14:51             ` Jiri Kosina
2009-10-13 15:56               ` Andi Kleen
2009-10-13  2:00         ` Daniel Hazelton
2009-10-13  0:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13  2:54         ` Frédéric L. W. Meunier
2009-10-13 19:32           ` Nix
2009-10-13  3:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13  3:43           ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-13  7:13             ` Frédéric L. W. Meunier
2009-10-13  8:19               ` Boyan
2009-10-13  9:17                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2009-10-13 14:33                 ` Frédéric L. W. Meunier
2009-10-13 15:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 20:08                   ` Boyan
2009-10-13 20:53                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 21:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 21:13                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14  0:55                         ` Frédéric L. W. Meunier
2009-10-14  1:12                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14  1:20                             ` david
2009-10-14  7:45                         ` Boyan
2009-10-13 21:32                       ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 22:54                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 23:11                           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 23:16                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 21:46                       ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-13 22:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 23:01                           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14  0:08                           ` Paul Fulghum
     [not found]                             ` <4AD51D6B.7010509@microgate.com>
2009-10-14  1:03                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14  1:05                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2009-10-14  1:34                                 ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-14 11:58                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 15:07                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 16:34                                     ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-14 16:38                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 18:20                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-14 18:51                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 19:52                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-14 20:55                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-15 12:47                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-15 15:29                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-15 16:04                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-15 15:53                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 21:16                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-10-14 21:51                                               ` David Miller
2009-10-14 19:59                                       ` Boyan
2009-10-14 21:02                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-14 21:39                                           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-15  7:24                                           ` Boyan
2009-10-15 17:38                                       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-10-15 19:00                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-10-15 21:49                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-15 22:29                                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2009-10-13 10:34             ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 15:16               ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-13 10:32           ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 13:25             ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-13 14:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 15:02               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 15:08               ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-13 15:33               ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-13 15:41                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 15:59                   ` Alan Cox
2009-10-13 16:42                     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-13 17:28                   ` Paul Fulghum
2009-10-17 16:40           ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-11 23:24 ` 2.6.32-rc4: Reported regressions 2.6.30 -> 2.6.31 Larry Finger
2009-10-12 21:43   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 12:22 ` Frederik Deweerdt
2009-10-12 21:46   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-12 19:58 ` Andrew Patterson
2009-10-12 21:48   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-10-26 19:26 2.6.32-rc5-git3: " Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-26 19:31 ` [Bug #14388] keyboard under X with 2.6.31 Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-10-26 22:25   ` Boyan
2009-10-26 22:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2009-10-26 23:45       ` Ed Tomlinson
2009-10-27  4:34         ` Justin P. Mattock
2009-10-27  8:23       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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