From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1758182Ab1JFHbL (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Oct 2011 03:31:11 -0400 Received: from www.linutronix.de ([62.245.132.108]:35513 "EHLO Galois.linutronix.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751185Ab1JFHbK (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Oct 2011 03:31:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:30:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Gleixner To: Chris Friesen cc: Adrian Bunk , "Ted Ts'o" , "Frank Ch. Eigler" , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "H. Peter Anvin" , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Greg KH Subject: Re: kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust In-Reply-To: <4E8CF3C9.3080908@genband.com> Message-ID: References: <201110021354.57995.rjw@sisk.pl> <4E88A537.4010008@zytor.com> <20111003093239.GB25136@localhost.pp.htv.fi> <20111003180441.GD3072@localhost.pp.htv.fi> <34045.1317760188@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20111004223932.GA3460@localhost.pp.htv.fi> <20111004231730.GB17089@redhat.com> <20111005075438.GA29441@localhost.pp.htv.fi> <20111005170616.GD4297@thunk.org> <20111005192349.GA14406@localhost.pp.htv.fi> <4E8CF3C9.3080908@genband.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (LFD 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Linutronix-Spam-Score: -1.0 X-Linutronix-Spam-Level: - X-Linutronix-Spam-Status: No , -1.0 points, 5.0 required, ALL_TRUSTED=-1,SHORTCIRCUIT=-0.0001 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Chris Friesen wrote: > On 10/05/2011 05:57 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > > Or if I have to bother Linus to meet me and sign my key the next > > > time he is here in Helsinki. > > > > And how would that change the fact that your personal trust value in > > this community is exactly ZERO? > > > > As your idea of trust seems to be based on an ID card you better find > > some other place with people who are stupid enough to believe that > > technical measures can replace deep personal trust. > > Aren't you sort of conflating personal trust with a web-of-trust? No, I'm fighting the idiocy that people seem to believe that a web of signed keys has any value other than technically establishing the identity of a person. > A web-of-trust exists simply to associate a person with a key. It *is* a > technical measure. If Linus is willing to assert that Adrian's key matches up > with Adrian-as-individual, and you trust Linus, then you should accept > Adrian's key as valid regardless of whether or not you personally trust him. If Linus signs his key, then all it means is that I can be sure to a certain degree that the person who is using the key is Adrian. But it's neither a free ticket for a k.org account nor does it have any other meaning. Thanks, tglx