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From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	hpa@zytor.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@redhat.com>,
	Zhenzhong Duan <zhenzhong.duan@oracle.com>,
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	Mike Travis <mike.travis@hpe.com>,
	Dimitri Sivanich <dimitri.sivanich@hpe.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Giovanni Gherdovich <ggherdovich@suse.cz>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Martin Molnar <martin.molnar.programming@gmail.com>,
	Pingfan Liu <kernelfans@gmail.com>,
	jailhouse-dev@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/smpboot: Remove 486-isms from the modern AP boot path
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 00:32:30 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.21.2004012353100.4156324@eddie.linux-mips.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <beefca46-ac7c-374b-e80a-4e7c3af2eb2b@citrix.com>

On Wed, 1 Apr 2020, Andrew Cooper wrote:

> >  Even though we supported them by spec I believe we never actually ran MP 
> > on any 486 SMP system (Alan Cox might be able to straighten me out on 
> > this); none that I know of implemented the MPS even though actual hardware 
> > might have used the APIC architecture.  Compaq had its competing solution 
> > for 486 and newer SMP, actually deployed, the name of which I long forgot.  
> > We never supported it due to the lack of documentation combined with the 
> > lack of enough incentive for someone to reverse-engineer it.
> 
> :)
> 
> I chose "486-ism" based on what the MP spec said about external vs
> integrated Local APICs.  I can't claim to have any experience of those days.

 The spec is quite clear about the use of discrete APICs actually:

"5.1 Discrete APIC Configurations

"   Figure 5-1 shows the default configuration for systems that use the 
    discrete 82489 APIC.  The Intel486 processor is shown as an example; 
    however, this configuration can also employ Pentium processors.  In 
    Pentium processor systems, PRST is connected to INIT instead of to 
    RESET."

:)  And if in the way the internal local APIC in P54C processors can be
permanently disabled (causing it not to be reported in CPUID flags) via a 
reset strap, e.g. to support an unusual configuration.

 As I recall the integrated APIC would in principle support SMP configs 
beyond dual (the inter-APIC bus was serial at the time and supported 15 
APIC IDs with the P54C), but at the time the P54C processor was released 
the only compatible I/O APICs were available as a part of Intel PCI south 
bridges (the 82375EB/SB ESC and the 82379AB SIO.A).  Those chips were not 
necessarily compatible with whatever custom chipset was developed to 
support e.g. a quad-SMP P54C system.  Or there were political reasons 
preventing them from being used.

 Then the 82489DX used an incompatible protocol (supporting 254 APIC IDs 
among others, and as I recall the serial bus had a different number of 
wires even), so it couldn't be mixed with integrated local APICs.  That's 
why discrete APICs were sometimes used even with P54C processors.

 And the 82093AA standalone I/O APIC was only introduced a few years 
later, along with the Intel HX (Triton II) SMP chipset.  I still have a 
nice working machine equipped with this chipset and dual P55C processors 
@233MHz.  Even the original CPU fans are going strong. :)  Its MP table is 
however buggy and difficult to work with if the I/O APIC is to be used, 
especially if PCI-PCI bridges are involved (there's none onboard, but you 
can have these easily in multiple quantities on option cards nowadays).

  Maciej

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-01 23:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-25 10:14 [PATCH] x86/smpboot: Remove 486-isms from the modern AP boot path Andrew Cooper
2020-03-25 10:17 ` hpa
2020-03-25 14:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-03-31 23:35     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-01 10:23       ` David Laight
2020-04-01 13:26         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2020-04-01 22:30       ` Andrew Cooper
2020-04-01 23:32         ` Maciej W. Rozycki [this message]
2020-03-31 17:58 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrew Cooper
2020-03-31 22:23   ` Brian Gerst
2020-03-31 22:44     ` Andrew Cooper
2020-03-31 22:53       ` Brian Gerst
2020-04-01  9:22         ` Andrew Cooper
2020-04-01 11:39           ` Brian Gerst
2020-04-01 12:14             ` Andrew Cooper
2020-04-01 14:38               ` Brian Gerst
2020-04-01 14:47                 ` Andrew Cooper

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