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From: Marc Aurele La France <tsi@tuyoix.net>
To: Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Volth <openssh@volth.com>,
	Damien Miller <djm@mindrot.org>
Subject: Re: n_tty: Check the other end of pty pair before returning EAGAIN on a read()
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:26:24 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.WNT.2.00.1512180723400.4908@CLUIJ> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <566AD5FC.6010407@hurleysoftware.com>

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015, Peter Hurley wrote:
> On 12/11/2015 05:37 AM, Marc Aurele La France wrote:

>> I am not asking to read data before it has been produced.  I am puzzled
>> that despite knowing that the data exists, I can now be lied to when I
>> try to retrieve it, when I wasn't before.  We are talking about what is
>> essentially a two-way pipe, not some network or serial connection with
>> transmission delays userland has long experience in dealing with.

>> These previously internal additional delays, that are now exposed to
>> userland, are simply an implementation detail that userland did not,
>> and should not, need to worry about.
>
> Your mental model is that pseudo-terminals are a synchronous pipe, which
> is not true.
>
> But this argument is pointless because the regression needs to be fixed
> regardless of the merits.

Fair enough.

Anything new on this?

Thanks.

Marc.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-09 21:06 n_tty: Check the other end of pty pair before returning EAGAIN on a read() Marc Aurele La France
2015-12-10 14:59 ` Peter Hurley
2015-12-10 22:48   ` Marc Aurele La France
2015-12-11  0:07     ` Peter Hurley
2015-12-11 13:37       ` Marc Aurele La France
2015-12-11 13:56         ` Peter Hurley
2015-12-18 14:26           ` Marc Aurele La France [this message]
2015-12-18 16:39             ` Peter Hurley
2015-12-18 17:23               ` Marc Aurele La France
2016-01-14 21:50                 ` Marc Aurele La France
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-02-28 22:53 Brian Bloniarz
2016-02-28 23:02 Brian Bloniarz
2016-02-29  3:56 Brian Bloniarz
2016-03-01  4:30 ` Peter Hurley

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