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From: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>
To: Jiebin Sun <jiebin.sun@intel.com>
Cc: acme@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
	jolsa@kernel.org, irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
	james.clark@linaro.org, tianyou.li@intel.com,
	wangyang.guo@intel.com, dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com,
	thomas.falcon@intel.com, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 22:40:37 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amGpVYnDyqe7-xdy@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260720083924.2735509-1-jiebin.sun@intel.com>

Hello,

On Mon, Jul 20, 2026 at 04:39:24PM +0800, Jiebin Sun wrote:
> Hi Namhyung,
> 
> Thanks a lot for the detailed suggestions -- agreed on both points, and I
> wanted to get your thoughts on the reworked layout before sending the next
> version.
> 
> > I think it's more like "code-address" view rather than "function" view.
> > How about organizing the output something like below?
> >
> >   L1:  function
> >   L2:  cache line
> >   L3:  shared functions
> 
> You're right that keying level 1 on the code address made it read like a
> "code-address view". I plan to rework it so every level that names a
> function aggregates all of that function's code addresses into a single
> entry, together with the per-level indentation you described.
> 
> For the lower levels I first tried the cacheline-then-functions layout you
> suggested:
> 
>   L1: function
>   L2: cache line
>   L3: sharing functions
> 
> but on real data we hit one problem: when the level-1 function touches many
> cache lines, the same contending function shows up under many of those
> level-2 cache lines. To find out which function modifies the line the most
> -- the one most worth fixing -- we then have to aggregate that function's
> writes across all those cache lines ourselves, which is the same manual
> work the cache line view already leaves to us.
> 
> So I am considering putting the contending function at level 2 and the
> cache line at level 3 instead:
> 
>   L1: function            (reads the line and pays the HITM penalty)
>   L2: contending function (writes/modifies the line, causing the HITM)
>   L3: the shared cache lines
> 
> For example, expanding dequeue_pushable_task and its writers:
> 
>   Cycles  Store
>        %  count  Function / Contending function / Cache line
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
>   - 16.54%   419  - [k] dequeue_pushable_task
>              145      - [k] pull_rt_task
>              145            0xff2d0082809da080
>              139      - [k] enqueue_pushable_task
>               70            0xff2d00a2071f9640
>               69            0xff2d0082809da000
>              133      - [k] cpupri_set
>              133            0xff2d0082809da080
> 
> Here enqueue_pushable_task contends over two cache lines, but it stays a
> single level-2 row with its total (139) shown, and the individual cache
> lines are underneath -- so the top writers are ranked directly, with no
> manual summing.
> 
> The key difference from the earlier version is that the code addresses and
> function offsets are no longer shown at level 1 and level 2. Those made the
> view read like a code-address view; instead the main view keeps only the
> concise, at-a-glance information (which function pays, which function it
> contends with, and the cache lines involved), and the detailed code
> addresses / offsets stay in the per-cacheline detail view ('d').
> 
> Once we settle on the layout, I'll send the updated version for review.

Thanks for the explanation and it looks good!

Maybe you can add a shortcut to the cacheline view on the given item in
a follow up work.

Thanks,
Namhyung


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-23  5:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-26  7:03 [PATCH 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 01/14] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 02/14] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 03/14] perf c2c: add function view type definitions and helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 04/14] perf c2c: add column format infrastructure for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 05/14] perf c2c: add column entry functions " Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 06/14] perf c2c: add comparison functions for function view sorting Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 07/14] perf c2c: add dimension definitions and format creation Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 08/14] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view histograms Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 09/14] perf c2c: add stats merging and memory management helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 10/14] perf c2c: add hierarchy entry creation and lookup functions Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 11/14] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy builder Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 12/14] perf c2c: add function view browser UI Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 13/14] perf c2c: add TAB key to switch to function view Jiebin Sun
2026-06-26  7:03 ` [PATCH 14/14] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun
2026-07-07  0:41 ` [PATCH 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Namhyung Kim
2026-07-10  8:49   ` Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10 21:54     ` Namhyung Kim
2026-07-13  9:22       ` Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42 ` [PATCH v2 " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 01/14] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 02/14] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 03/14] perf c2c: add function view type definitions and helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 04/14] perf c2c: add column format infrastructure for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 05/14] perf c2c: add column entry functions " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 06/14] perf c2c: add comparison functions for function view sorting Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 07/14] perf c2c: add dimension definitions and format creation Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 08/14] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view histograms Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 09/14] perf c2c: add stats merging and memory management helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 10/14] perf c2c: add hierarchy entry creation and lookup functions Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 11/14] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy builder Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 12/14] perf c2c: add function view browser UI Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 13/14] perf c2c: add TAB key to switch to function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-10  8:42   ` [PATCH v2 14/14] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05   ` [PATCH v3 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 01/14] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 02/14] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 03/14] perf c2c: add function view type definitions and helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 04/14] perf c2c: add column format infrastructure for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 05/14] perf c2c: add column entry functions " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 06/14] perf c2c: add comparison functions for function view sorting Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 07/14] perf c2c: add dimension definitions and format creation Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 08/14] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view histograms Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 09/14] perf c2c: add stats merging and memory management helpers Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 10/14] perf c2c: add hierarchy entry creation and lookup functions Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 11/14] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy builder Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 12/14] perf c2c: add function view browser UI Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 13/14] perf c2c: add TAB key to switch to function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-17  2:05     ` [PATCH v3 14/14] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun
2026-07-18  4:58     ` [PATCH v3 00/14] perf c2c: add a function view Namhyung Kim
2026-07-20  8:39       ` Jiebin Sun
2026-07-23  5:40         ` Namhyung Kim [this message]
2026-07-24 10:10           ` [PATCH " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-28 18:10             ` Namhyung Kim
2026-07-24  9:58     ` [PATCH v4 0/9] " Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 1/9] perf c2c: extract shared data structures into c2c.h Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 2/9] perf c2c: add function view browser skeleton Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 3/9] perf c2c: add column rendering for function view Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 4/9] perf c2c: add HPP list parsing for function view columns Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 5/9] perf c2c: add function view stats merge and memory management Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 6/9] perf c2c: add function view hierarchy entry creation Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 7/9] perf c2c: build and finalize the function view hierarchy Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 8/9] perf c2c: add function view browser UI and cacheline detail Jiebin Sun
2026-07-24  9:58       ` [PATCH v4 9/9] perf c2c: document function view in perf-c2c man page Jiebin Sun
2026-07-28 18:13       ` [PATCH v4 0/9] perf c2c: add a function view Namhyung Kim

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