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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Alexandre Courbot <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>, "Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Carlos Llamas" <cmllamas@google.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Petr Pavlu" <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	"Daniel Gomez" <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	"Sami Tolvanen" <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	"Aaron Tomlin" <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate()
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2026 12:52:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amyailSp5MzQQZUY@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKBZLF7RMQE8.2KQJKLGIE0X6N@nvidia.com>

On Thu, Jul 30, 2026 at 11:48:15PM +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> On Thu Jul 30, 2026 at 6:11 PM JST, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2026 at 11:05:55PM +0900, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> >> On Wed Jul 22, 2026 at 6:16 PM JST, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> >> > +    where
> >> > +        B: lock::Backend,
> >> > +        F: FnOnce() -> Result<T, E>,
> >> > +    {
> >> > +        if let Some(value) = self.as_ref() {
> >> > +            return Ok(value);
> >> > +        }
> >> > +
> >> > +        let mut to_insert = f()?;
> >> 
> >> This means that `f` can run more than once for a given `SetOnce`, which
> >> can lead to problems depending on `f`'s' side-effects.
> >> 
> >> In the GEM shmem case, we would create a second `SGTableMap`, and since
> >> `SGTableMap` assumes it is the sole owner, the last instance to drop
> >> would create a use-after-free.
> >> 
> >> Now this sounds more like a problem with `SGTableMap`, but if we cannot
> >> avoid calling `f` at least twice then I think it would help if this was
> >> documented.
> >
> > Hmm ... this is the behavior I want in Binder. Actually creating the
> > value is an allocation, but my lock is a spinlock so I cannot invoke f()
> > under the lock. This means that each caller will make their own
> > allocation, and then we throw away any extras if there are concurrent
> > callers.
> >
> > If GEM shmem wants f() invoked under the lock, then that's just a
> > different operation than the one Binder wants.
> >
> > Do you think we should add both?
> 
> Possibly... but this would introduce a potential footgun that sleeps
> while holding a spinlock, unless we limit the run-f-under-lock version
> to work only with mutexes.
> 
> Maybe the proper solution is to fix `SGTableMap` so it supports multiple
> instantiations. It is, after all, a bit footgunny on its own.
> 
> In any case, the current versions should warn users about the fact that
> `f` can be called more than once imho.

We could extend the naming scheme:

* try_get_or_populate_once() only invokes f() once, under lock
* try_get_or_populate_racy() may invoke f() multiple times

Though the _once naming isn't amazing since it still may invoke f()
multiple times if it fails. On failure, the next initializer gets to try
again.

Thoughts?

Alice

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-31 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260722-setonce-populate-v1-0-fa7455c26c42@google.com>
     [not found] ` <20260722-setonce-populate-v1-2-fa7455c26c42@google.com>
2026-07-29 14:05   ` [PATCH 2/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate() Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-29 14:23     ` Boqun Feng
2026-07-30  9:11     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-07-30 14:48       ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-31 12:52         ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
     [not found] ` <20260722-setonce-populate-v1-1-fa7455c26c42@google.com>
2026-07-29 14:09   ` [PATCH 1/3] rust: sync: return `Result<&T, T>` from `SetOnce::populate()` Alexandre Courbot
2026-07-29 14:12 ` [PATCH 0/3] rust: sync: add SetOnce::try_get_or_populate() Alexandre Courbot

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