From: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
To: Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 00:49:33 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoOrrgLgW53etM5C@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DKPLICBIHQMP.2HPKI7JZXSUFV@linux.dev>
On Sat, Aug 15, 2026 at 03:43:18PM +0100, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> On Wed Aug 12, 2026 at 10:26 PM BST, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > [..]
> >> static __always_inline
> >> struct page *rmqueue_buddy(struct zone *preferred_zone, struct zone *zone,
> >> unsigned int order, unsigned int alloc_flags,
> >> @@ -3433,13 +3580,15 @@ struct page *rmqueue_buddy(struct zone *preferred_zone, struct zone *zone,
> >> */
> >> if (!page && (alloc_flags & (ALLOC_OOM|ALLOC_HARDER)))
> >> page = __rmqueue_smallest(zone, order, ft_high);
> >> -
> >> - if (!page) {
> >> - spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags);
> >> - return NULL;
> >> - }
> >> }
> >> spin_unlock_irqrestore(&zone->lock, flags);
> >> +
> >> + /* Try changing direct map, now we've released the zone lock */
> >> + if (!page)
> >> + page = __rmqueue_direct_map(zone, order, alloc_flags, freetype);
> >
> > Is it intentional that this is called outside __rmqueue() and doesn't
> > cover pcplists refills through rmqueue_bulk()?
> >
> > IIUC, we will never change a pageblock to unmapped to refill the
> > pcplists, so the unmapped pcplists can get filled in two ways:
> > (a) When unmapped pages are freed.
> > (b) When a pageblock is converted here (in rmqueue_buddy()), if the
> > allocation only consumes part of it, the new allocation might move
> > the rest into the pcplist through rmqueue_bulk().
> >
> > Does this mean that unmapped pcplists are less effective in serving
> > allocations? There is a tradeoff here because converting a pageblock to
> > unmapped is expensive, so maybe this is the right choice to make, I am
> > just wondering if this was intentional and/or if we tried it a different
> > way.
>
> Yeah I think this is all aligned with how I envisaged this working. I
> have been assuming that changing pageblocks only happens:
>
> 1. When botting / changing between different kinds of workload.
>
> 2. When the system is quite distressed by memory pressure.
>
> I think in both cases, proactively flipping a block just to refill
> pcplists is unhelpful?
I guess it depends on what context we refill in the pcplists in. If we
are already holding the zone lock it might be worth a refill to avoid
holding it again to do it later? I am not sure. We can probably punt on
this until we have numbers.
>
> > Actuall, THPs are not covered by scenario (b) above if the pageblock
> > size is the same as THP size, as the converted THPs are always consumed
> > by the allocation, so the THP pcplist will only be filled when THPs are
> > freed.
> >
> > I wonder if this would cause a problem for THP-heavy workloads (e.g.
> > guest_memfd using THP, or any THP usage with ASI).
>
> And again it doesn't feel right to proactively flip a block just to
> create a pcplist. The cost of a pcplist miss is basically a bit of
> cacheline contention while the cost of flipping a block is pretty high,
> it seems well worth risking the former to avoid the latter.
Zone lock contention can be a big problem. But yeah we probably
shouldn't make a decision without some numbers.
>
> > The other thing (that I probably mentioned elsewhere) is that kcompactd
> > does not produce unmapped pageblocks, so it seems like THP allocations
> > will mostly hit this code path and convert a pageblock to unmapped.
>
> Yeah, I think making kcompactd produce unmapped blocks is a nice
> standalone optimisation series and it can probably wait until someone
> has a workload they can share the performance improvements from.
Yup.
>
> > Actually, if we do bulk conversion to unmapped (e.g. in kcompactd) we
> > could batch the TLB shootdowns as well, but that should probably be done
> > separately.
>
> Oh, that's a good point though, coz that would also interact nicely with
> pcplists. In theory we could allocate several contiguous pageblocks,
> flip them with a single amortised flush, and then use that to refill
> pcplists. But yeah this still feels like far future optimisations if and
> when we actually knew it helped.
Agreed.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-18 0:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-26 22:22 [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:33 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-29 11:42 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 20:34 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 5:21 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-31 11:57 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] mm/secretmem: make use of folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 21:06 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 12:15 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 19:28 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 0:13 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 0:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 14:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 18:12 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 18:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 19:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 22:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 22:48 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-08 13:56 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-10 21:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-10 21:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 15:32 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-13 17:25 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-18 0:32 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-08 0:19 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 22:10 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:42 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:13 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 15:46 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] x86: move PAE PMD preallocation defines to header Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 23:59 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:49 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/mm: introduce mm-local region Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:27 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:10 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:23 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/mm: move LDT remap into " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:33 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 0:08 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:40 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 18:38 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 22:23 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:37 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:35 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-04 23:02 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:48 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] mm/page_alloc: add support for freetypes with no freelist Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:13 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 19:53 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 11:22 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:52 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 9:20 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 21:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:09 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:45 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:18 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:12 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:41 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:05 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:53 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-05 16:13 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:28 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:30 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-12 21:26 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:43 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:49 ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2026-08-18 1:01 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:30 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] mm: Split out NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_[UN]MAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:32 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] mm/page_alloc: always direct compact for unmapped allocs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:44 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-06 23:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] mm: plumb alloc flags into some alloc funcs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:52 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] mm: add fast path for AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-08-08 0:06 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
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