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From: daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove sys_security
Date: 17 Oct 2002 21:54:49 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aonbj9$pun$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20021017.131830.27803403.davem@redhat.com

David S. Miller wrote:
>Who is going to use this stuff?  %99.999 of users
>will never load a security module, and the distribution makers are
>going to enable this NOP overhead for _everyone_ just so a few telcos
>or government installations can get their LSM bits?

I don't understand how anyone can possibly know that.
It's true that today very few users use security modules,
but the Linux kernel doesn't support loadable security modules
today, so it would be unreasonable to use today's figures to
estimate likely future usage.

>This doesn't make any sense to me, including LSM appears to be quite
>against one of the basic maxims of Linux kernel ideology if you ask me
>:-)  (said maxim is: If %99 of users won't use it, they better not
>even notice it is there or be affected by it in any way)

Ahh, good.  Then you should be pretty happy with the current LSM
framework.  I believe that users who don't load a LSM module won't
notice anything.  For example, the LSM folks have several performance
measurements that show that the performance overhead of LSM is basically
negligible, so that's one way that users won't notice it is there.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-10-17 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-17 18:50 [PATCH] remove sys_security Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 18:53 ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 18:58   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 19:07     ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:04       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:10         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18  7:04             ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:07               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18  8:31                 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  8:29                   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 12:52                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:04                     ` Greg KH
2002-10-19  2:05                       ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:11               ` Greg KH
2002-10-18  7:28               ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-18  9:02                 ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18 13:05                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 15:14                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-10-18 15:18                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:30                         ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:33                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 16:53                             ` Greg KH
2002-10-18 16:54                             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 17:15                             ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 22:36                               ` Chris Wright
2002-10-21 13:54                               ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 14:09                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-21 16:44                                   ` Mike Wray
2002-10-21 17:36                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-18 20:36                             ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 17:44                           ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-18 16:38                       ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 16:52                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-18  9:09                 ` David Wagner
2002-10-18 10:14                 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 12:50               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:30           ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:00             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:10               ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 21:37                 ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 21:49                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 22:14                     ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 22:22                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-10-23  0:35                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 11:43                         ` Russell Coker
2002-10-23 11:59                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 14:27                             ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 14:54                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2002-10-23 16:09                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:24                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:34                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-23 16:36                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-23 16:51                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-24  6:26                                           ` Nathan Scott
2002-10-24  8:45                                             ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:45           ` Russell Coker
2002-10-21 13:57           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-21 21:12             ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-21 21:17               ` Greg KH
2002-10-22 12:22               ` Stephen Smalley
2002-10-17 20:20       ` Russell Coker
2002-10-17 20:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 20:28         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 19:05   ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 20:18   ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:36     ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:38       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 20:58         ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 20:58           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:09             ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 22:07               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 22:19                 ` Greg KH
2002-10-18  8:00             ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  7:57               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 13:08               ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 21:54     ` David Wagner [this message]
2002-10-17 22:36       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:04         ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:08           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 14:24             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-10-17 22:51     ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-17 22:51       ` David S. Miller
2002-10-18 17:47         ` Daniel Egger
2002-10-17 23:00       ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-17 22:56         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-17 23:09           ` Greg KH
2002-10-17 23:10             ` Chris Wright
2002-10-17 23:10           ` Andreas Steinmetz
2002-10-18 13:11             ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-10-17 23:11         ` Greg KH
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2002-10-18  9:25         ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18  9:36           ` Crispin Cowan
2002-10-18  9:44             ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18  9:55           ` Russell Coker
2002-10-18 10:13             ` Andi Kleen
2002-10-18 17:24             ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-18 11:43           ` Andreas Ferber
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2002-10-23 16:33   ` Andi Kleen

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