From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: is KERNEL developement finished, yet ???
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:07:22 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aso4kq$2ka$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 000901c29c5d$6d194760$2e833841@joe
In article <000901c29c5d$6d194760$2e833841@joe>,
Joseph D. Wagner <wagnerjd@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>Unix (and Linux) developers are far too concerned with clinging to the
>30-year-old outdated POSIX standard, which creates numerous problems when
>trying to advance new features.
No.
Only stupid people think they should throw away old proven concepts.
What happens quite often in academia in particular is that you find a
problem you want to fix, and you re-design the whole system around your
fix.
This is how we get crap like microkernels. They have "an agenda", and
that's the _worst_ thing you can have when designing software. You
fixate on some perceived problem, and the end result is that yes, maybe
you fixed _that_ problem, but in the meantime you also generated a whole
new of issues - usually things that were solved by the original
approach.
The UNIX/Linux approach is a very pragmatic thing - leave the things
that work well alone. There's no point in re-inventing the whole system
just because of some small perceived flaws.
>This is not a design flaw per say, but let's face it: Unix would be a lot
>more secure (and more flexible in it's security) with ACL's.
>
>Microsoft Windows has had ACL's since 1991 (Windows NT 3.5?); that was 11
>years ago.
Yeah, and look how much more secure it is than UNIX.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-12-05 18:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-12-05 2:00 is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Ed Vance
2002-12-05 12:24 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 12:54 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-05 13:15 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-12-05 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-12-05 19:52 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-05 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-12-05 20:09 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? (ACLs) Tupshin Harper
2002-12-06 10:38 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2002-12-15 5:29 ` Tracy R Reed
2002-12-07 20:34 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Kai Henningsen
2002-12-05 18:09 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-05 17:47 ` yodaiken
2002-12-05 19:08 ` John Bradford
2002-12-06 6:15 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06 6:30 ` John Alvord
2002-12-06 9:48 ` Alvaro Lopes
2002-12-07 20:43 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-07 20:39 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-12-09 14:08 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-12-10 0:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-12-05 14:33 ` Mikael Pettersson
[not found] <sdef301b.011@mail-01.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 16:36 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-06 3:29 ` Keith Adamson
[not found] <sdef2367.029@mail-02.med.umich.edu>
2002-12-05 15:17 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-05 15:38 ` Dave Jones
2002-12-05 15:44 ` Eric Weigle
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-12-05 14:58 Nicholas Berry
2002-12-03 13:03 cs driver SANTHOSH K
2002-12-04 15:26 ` is KERNEL developement finished, yet ??? Shane Helms
2002-12-04 17:01 ` Joseph D. Wagner
2002-12-04 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2002-12-04 18:07 ` Richard B. Tilley (Brad)
2002-12-04 18:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-12-04 18:39 ` Erik Andersen
2002-12-05 16:59 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-12-05 0:27 ` jeff millar
2002-12-05 23:55 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2002-12-06 0:24 ` Shane Helms
2002-12-06 3:00 ` jeff millar
2002-12-06 3:36 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-06 8:55 ` Helge Hafting
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