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From: "Madhavan T. Venkataraman" <madvenka@linux.microsoft.com>
To: "Sean Christopherson" <seanjc@google.com>,
	"Mickaël Salaün" <mic@digikod.net>
Cc: "Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Vitaly Kuznetsov" <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	"Wanpeng Li" <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	"Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Forrest Yuan Yu" <yuanyu@google.com>,
	"James Morris" <jamorris@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"John Andersen" <john.s.andersen@intel.com>,
	"Liran Alon" <liran.alon@oracle.com>,
	"Marian Rotariu" <marian.c.rotariu@gmail.com>,
	"Mihai Donțu" <mdontu@bitdefender.com>,
	"Nicușor Cîțu" <nicu.citu@icloud.com>,
	"Rick Edgecombe" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/9] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for prewrite page tracking
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 15:53:18 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b1ffbf50-7728-64a1-5d46-10331a17530d@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZFU9YzqG/T+Ty9gY@google.com>



On 5/5/23 12:31, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, May 05, 2023, Micka�l Sala�n wrote:
>>
>> On 05/05/2023 18:28, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> I have no doubt that we'll need to solve performance and scaling issues with the
>>> memory attributes implementation, e.g. to utilize xarray multi-range support
>>> instead of storing information on a per-4KiB-page basis, but AFAICT, the core
>>> idea is sound.  And a very big positive from a maintenance perspective is that
>>> any optimizations, fixes, etc. for one use case (CoCo vs. hardening) should also
>>> benefit the other use case.
>>>
>>> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20230311002258.852397-22-seanjc@google.com
>>> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y2WB48kD0J4VGynX@google.com
>>> [3] https://lore.kernel.org/all/Y1a1i9vbJ%2FpVmV9r@google.com
>>
>> I agree, I used this mechanism because it was easier at first to rely on a
>> previous work, but while I was working on the MBEC support, I realized that
>> it's not the optimal way to do it.
>>
>> I was thinking about using a new special EPT bit similar to
>> EPT_SPTE_HOST_WRITABLE, but it may not be portable though. What do you
>> think?
> 
> On x86, SPTEs are even more ephemeral than memslots.  E.g. for historical reasons,
> KVM zaps all SPTEs if _any_ memslot is deleted, which is problematic if the guest
> is moving around BARs, using option ROMs, etc.
> 
> ARM's pKVM tracks metadata in its stage-2 PTEs, i.e. doesn't need an xarray to
> otrack attributes, but that works only because pKVM is more privileged than the
> host kernel, and the shared vs. private memory attribute that pKVM cares about
> is very, very restricted in how it can be used and changed.
> 
> I tried shoehorning private vs. shared metadata into x86's SPTEs in the past, and
> it ended up being a constant battle with the kernel, e.g. page migration, and with
> KVM itself, e.g. the above memslot mess.

Sorry for the delay in responding to this. I wanted to study the KVM code and fully
understand your comment before responding.

Yes, I quite agree with you. I will make an attempt to address this in the next version.
I am working on it right now.

Thanks.

Madhavan

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-24 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-05 15:20 [RFC PATCH v1 0/9] Hypervisor-Enforced Kernel Integrity Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 1/9] KVM: x86: Add kvm_x86_ops.fault_gva() Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 2/9] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for prewrite page tracking Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 16:28   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-05 16:49     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 17:31       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-24 20:53         ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman [this message]
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 3/9] virt: Implement Heki common code Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-08 17:29   ` Wei Liu
2023-05-17 12:47     ` Madhavan T. Venkataraman
2023-05-29 16:03       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 4/9] KVM: x86: Add new hypercall to set EPT permissions Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 16:44   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-05 17:01     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 17:17       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 5/9] KVM: x86: Add new hypercall to lock control registers Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-08 21:11   ` Wei Liu
2023-05-29 16:48     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-30 23:16       ` Kees Cook
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 6/9] KVM: x86: Add Heki hypervisor support Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-08 21:18   ` Wei Liu
2023-05-26 16:49     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 7/9] KVM: VMX: Add MBEC support Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 8/9] KVM: x86/mmu: Enable guests to lock themselves thanks to MBEC Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-05 15:20 ` [PATCH v1 9/9] virt: Add Heki KUnit tests Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-24 21:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/9] Hypervisor-Enforced Kernel Integrity Trilok Soni
2023-05-25 13:25   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-25 18:34     ` Trilok Soni
2023-05-30  9:54       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-24 22:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-05-25  0:37   ` Trilok Soni
2023-05-25 13:59   ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-25 15:52     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-05-25 16:07       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-25 19:16         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-05-26 15:35       ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-26 15:22     ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-30 16:23       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
     [not found]         ` <ZHes4a73Zg+6JuFB@google.com>
2023-06-02 15:07           ` Mickaël Salaün
2023-05-26  2:36 ` James Morris

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