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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'James Bottomley' <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	"yannik@sembritzki.me" <yannik@sembritzki.me>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>, Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>,
	Justin Forbes <jforbes@redhat.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] Fix kexec forbidding kernels signed with custom platform keys to boot
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 16:56:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b29ce8375b454440b7b019ac20cfe726@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1534435000.3166.9.camel@HansenPartnership.com>

From: James Bottomley
> Sent: 16 August 2018 16:57
> On Thu, 2018-08-16 at 16:49 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> > James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > The problem with that is that it means you can't load third party
> > > > modules - such as the NVidia driver.  That's fine if you
> > > > absolutely reject the right of people to produce third party
> > > > drivers for the Linux kernel and absolutely require that they
> > > > open and upstream their code if they want in.
> > >
> > > So if you build your own kernel and want to load the nVidia module,
> > > you have the key to sign it.
> >
> > I think you have to assume that doing this is beyond most people.
> 
> As a step by step process, I agree.  However, I think we can automate
> it to the point where you install a package and it says "insert your
> yubikey" every time you upgrade the kernel

What about 3rd parties that want to release drivers that can be loaded
into 'distribution' kernels?
We can do that for windows (provided we've paid the 'driver signing tax')
because windows has a stable kernel DDI/DKI.
For Linux we have to release most of the driver as a binary 'blob' and
compile wrapper code on the target system with the correct kernel headers.
There is no way we could generate signed copies for every 'distribution'
kernel - even if there was a way to get them signed.
Even if we agreed to make our source code available it wouldn't be
accepted for inclusion in the kernel source tree.

	David

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-16 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-15 10:00 [PATCH] Fix kexec forbidding kernels signed with custom platform keys to boot Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 16:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 17:27   ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 17:37     ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 17:42     ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 18:44       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 18:58       ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 19:06         ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 19:49           ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 20:47             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 20:53               ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:08               ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:13                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:31                   ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:40                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:50                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:57                     ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 22:14                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:52                   ` Vivek Goyal
2018-08-15 21:57                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-15 21:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-16 13:51             ` David Howells
2018-08-16 15:16               ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 15:42                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 15:49               ` David Howells
2018-08-16 15:56                 ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 16:56                   ` David Laight [this message]
2018-08-16 17:15                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 20:31                 ` David Howells
2018-08-17  0:07                   ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17  8:24                   ` David Howells
2018-08-17 14:58                     ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17 15:42                       ` Justin Forbes
2018-08-17 16:02                         ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16  0:52       ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  0:55         ` Dave Young
2018-08-16 12:13       ` David Howells
2018-08-16 14:22         ` James Bottomley
2018-08-16 14:43         ` David Howells
2018-08-16 14:59           ` James Bottomley
2018-08-17 17:00             ` Alan Cox
2018-08-15 17:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 18:19       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 18:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 0/2] Fix kexec forbidding kernels signed with keys in the secondary keyring " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16 18:02             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 1/2] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 19:42           ` [PATCH 2/2] Replace magic for trusting the secondary keyring with #define Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 21:14             ` kbuild test robot
2018-08-15 21:19               ` [PATCH 2/2] [FIXED] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-15 22:01                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-15 22:07                   ` [PATCH 2/2] [FIXED v2] " Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16  1:11                     ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  7:43                       ` Yannik Sembritzki
2018-08-16  8:02                         ` Dave Young
2018-08-16  8:20                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-08-16 12:46                       ` Vivek Goyal

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