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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Invalid compilation without -fno-strict-aliasing
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:26:37 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3itcd$2bi$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030225234646.GB30611@bougret.hpl.hp.com

In article <20030225234646.GB30611@bougret.hpl.hp.com>,
Jean Tourrilhes  <jt@bougret.hpl.hp.com> wrote:
>
>	It looks like a compiler bug to me...

Why do you think the kernel uses "-fno-strict-aliasing"?

The gcc people are more interested in trying to find out what can be
allowed by the c99 specs than about making things actually _work_. The
aliasing code in particular is not even worth enabling, it's just not
possible to sanely tell gcc when some things can alias.

>	Some users have complained that when the following code is
>compiled without the -fno-strict-aliasing, the order of the write and
>memcpy is inverted (which mean a bogus len is mem-copied into the
>stream).

The "problem" is that we inline the memcpy(), at which point gcc won't
care about the fact that it can alias, so they'll just re-order
everything and claim it's out own fault.  Even though there is no sane
way for us to even tell gcc about it. 

I tried to get a sane way a few years ago, and the gcc developers really
didn't care about the real world in this area. I'd be surprised if that
had changed, judging by the replies I have already seen.

I'm not going to bother to fight it. 

			Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-02-26 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-25 23:46 Invalid compilation without -fno-strict-aliasing Jean Tourrilhes
2003-02-26 15:38 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 16:04   ` Falk Hueffner
2003-02-26 20:47     ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 20:57       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-26 22:22         ` Jakub Jelinek
2003-02-27 19:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-27 19:45             ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-27 20:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-27 20:35                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-27 20:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-27 23:55                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-01  8:29                     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-02-26 17:22   ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-02-26 21:07     ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-27  4:41       ` Daniel Phillips
2003-02-26 17:26 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-02-26  4:33 Albert Cahalan
2003-02-26 17:20 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2003-02-26 18:23   ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-26 19:22     ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-26 19:40       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-26 19:42         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-26 20:19           ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-02-26 21:30             ` Albert Cahalan

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