From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 08:13:18 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4nmau$3d0$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030312032614.G12806@schatzie.adilger.int
Followup to: <20030312032614.G12806@schatzie.adilger.int>
By author: Andreas Dilger <adilger@clusterfs.com>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> Sadly, some people see the dark side of everything. I don't see how making
> a CVS repository available with comments and an as-good-as-you-can-do-with-CVS
> equivalent of a BK changeset equals "locking the revision history into a
> proprietary format". Yes, Larry said that this would allow him to change the
> BK file format to break compatibility with CSSC, but it is no more "locked
> away" now than before for those people who refuse to use BK.
>
> Ironically, SCCS was a former "evil proprietary format" that was reverse
> engineered to get CSSC, AFAIK. People are still free to update CSSC to
> track BK if they so choose.
>
> Some people will just never be happy no matter what you give them.
>
>From what I can gather, the question is very simple:
"Can we get our data out of BK into some kind of open format?"
It's an important question. If the answer is "yes, but only the stuff
that can be mapped onto CVS" then that's a significant data loss, and
if BitMover changes the data format without documentation, then there
is no longer a way to get all the data out.
Presumably the CVS exporter could get augmented with some kind of
metadata export... perhaps an XML schema that describes how the
various points are to be linked or whatnot... it won't turn CVS into
BK overnight (so Larry can still sleep at night), but it would give
BitMover the freedom to change their data format.
-hpa
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Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-03-12 3:43 [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 4:16 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 8:55 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:26 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 10:31 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 10:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-12 11:15 ` Jens Axboe
2003-03-12 11:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-12 16:13 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2003-03-12 16:30 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-03-12 16:47 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 17:08 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 21:50 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-13 23:30 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 17:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 17:57 ` John Bradford
2003-03-12 18:03 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-14 19:15 ` BK->CVS (2.4 + 2.5 updates) Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 7:59 ` [ANNOUNCE] BK->CVS (real time mirror) Theodore Ts'o
2003-03-13 9:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 16:18 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 16:47 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-03-12 17:34 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-03-12 18:38 ` Arador
2003-03-12 18:47 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:12 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-13 0:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-03-13 0:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16 3:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 4:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-12 4:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-16 3:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-12 19:34 ` Brandon Low
2003-03-16 13:45 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 14:18 ` Wayne Scott
2003-03-17 14:45 ` Pavel Machek
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-12 17:42 Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 18:01 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 18:34 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 19:03 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 19:38 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 19:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:53 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:09 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-12 23:58 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-12 20:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 2:57 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-03-16 3:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-16 17:45 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 18:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-16 19:30 ` Shawn
2003-03-16 19:33 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-16 21:52 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 1:18 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 1:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 1:56 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 9:01 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-03-17 17:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-03-17 19:32 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 19:40 ` David Lang
2003-03-17 20:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-03-17 20:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 20:12 ` Roman Zippel
2003-03-17 21:56 ` Pavel Machek
2003-03-17 22:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 14:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-21 17:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-21 19:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-22 0:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-22 0:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-03-17 17:41 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-17 18:04 ` Petr Baudis
2003-03-12 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 19:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:08 ` Ben Collins
2003-03-12 20:14 ` Sam Ravnborg
2003-03-12 20:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 20:46 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-12 20:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2003-03-13 0:41 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Eli Carter
2003-03-13 20:45 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 1:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 23:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:05 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:18 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:31 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-03-12 21:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 21:45 ` Kai Germaschewski
2003-03-12 22:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 22:21 ` David Lang
2003-03-12 22:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-12 23:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-03-15 16:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-13 21:00 ` Horst von Brand
2003-03-13 9:43 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 23:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-14 8:53 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-03-13 15:38 David Mansfield
2003-03-13 15:42 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:08 David Mansfield
2003-03-17 23:25 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-17 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-03-17 23:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-03-18 1:48 ` David Mansfield
2003-03-18 2:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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