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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	Kai Huang <kai.huang@linux.intel.com>,
	Jacob Pan <jacob.jun.pan@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv3 14/17] x86/mm: Introduce direct_mapping_size
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 06:22:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ba2950ff-dc47-43c0-a096-ad993114c301@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180618131247.myt6vjiav3nwww5p@black.fi.intel.com>

On 06/18/2018 06:12 AM, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 06:37:07PM +0000, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 06/12/2018 07:39 AM, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
>>> Kernel need to have a way to access encrypted memory. We are going to
>> "The kernel needs"...
>>
>>> use per-KeyID direct mapping to facilitate the access with minimal
>>> overhead.
>>
>> What are the security implications of this approach?
> 
> I'll add this to the message:
> 
> Per-KeyID mappings require a lot more virtual address space. On 4-level
> machine with 64 KeyIDs we max out 46-bit virtual address space dedicated
> for direct mapping with 1TiB of RAM. Given that we round up any
> calculation on direct mapping size to 1TiB, we effectively claim all
> 46-bit address space for direct mapping on such machine regardless of
> RAM size.
...

I was thinking more in terms of the exposure of keeping the plaintext
mapped all the time.

Imagine Meltdown if the decrypted page is not mapped into the kernel:
this feature could actually have protected user data.

But, with this scheme, it exposes the data... all the data... with all
possible keys... all the time.  That's one heck of an attack surface.
Can we do better?

>>>  struct page_ext_operations page_mktme_ops = {
>>>  	.need = need_page_mktme,
>>>  };
>>> +
>>> +void __init setup_direct_mapping_size(void)
>>> +{
...
>>> +}
>>
>> Do you really need two copies of this function?  Shouldn't it see
>> mktme_status!=MKTME_ENUMERATED and just jump out?  How is the code
>> before that "goto out" different from the CONFIG_MKTME=n case?
> 
> mktme.c is not compiled for CONFIG_MKTME=n.

I'd rather have one copy in shared code which is mosty optimized away
when CONFIG_MKTME=n than two copies.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-18 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-12 14:38 [PATCHv3 00/17] MKTME enabling Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:38 ` [PATCHv3 01/17] mm: Do no merge VMAs with different encryption KeyIDs Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 17:45   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:13     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 02/17] mm/khugepaged: Do not collapse pages in encrypted VMAs Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 17:50   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 20:20       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:38         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 03/17] mm/ksm: Do not merge pages with different KeyIDs Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 17:51   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:31     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 20:35       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:40         ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-13 20:41         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 04/17] mm/page_alloc: Handle allocation for encrypted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:07   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-14 15:57     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 05/17] x86/mm: Mask out KeyID bits from page table entry pfn Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 06/17] x86/mm: Introduce variables to store number, shift and mask of KeyIDs Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 07/17] x86/mm: Preserve KeyID on pte_modify() and pgprot_modify() Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:13   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 12:57     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-15 13:43       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 15:27         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-15 15:31           ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 16:06             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-15 16:58               ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 20:45                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-15 20:45                   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 20:55                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 08/17] x86/mm: Implement vma_is_encrypted() and vma_keyid() Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:18   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-15 13:14     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 09/17] x86/mm: Implement page_keyid() using page_ext Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:20   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 10:07     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-18 12:54       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 13:14         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-22 15:39         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 10/17] x86/mm: Implement prep_encrypted_page() and arch_free_page() Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:26   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 10:18     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 11/17] x86/mm: Rename CONFIG_RANDOMIZE_MEMORY_PHYSICAL_PADDING Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 12/17] x86/mm: Allow to disable MKTME after enumeration Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:30   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 10:59     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 13/17] x86/mm: Detect MKTME early Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 14/17] x86/mm: Introduce direct_mapping_size Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:58   ` Mika Penttilä
2018-06-12 20:07     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:37   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 13:12     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-18 13:22       ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 15/17] x86/mm: Implement sync_direct_mapping() Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:41   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 13:33     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-18 16:28   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-25  9:29     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-25 16:36       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-25 17:00         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 16/17] x86/mm: Handle encrypted memory in page_to_virt() and __pa() Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:43   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 13:34     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-18 13:59       ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 14:41         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-12 14:39 ` [PATCHv3 17/17] x86: Introduce CONFIG_X86_INTEL_MKTME Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-13 18:46   ` Dave Hansen
2018-06-18 13:41     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-06-28 18:52 ` [PATCHv3 00/17] MKTME enabling Pavel Machek

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