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From: Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, devel@laptop.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>, David Kahn <dmk@flex.com>,
	Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>,
	jg@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Open Firmware device tree virtual filesystem
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 22:28:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bb0d56f649449edb8b5cc0e1c12ede29@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1167768735.6165.68.camel@localhost.localdomain>

>> Not single thread -- but a "global OF lock" yes.  Not that
>> it matters too much, (almost) all property accesses are init
>> time anyway (which is effectively single threaded).
>
> Not that true anymore. A lot of driver probe is being threaded 
> nowadays,
> either bcs of the new multithread probing bits, or because they get
> loaded by userland from some initramfs etc..

The kernel doesn't care if one CPU is in OF land while the others
are doing other stuff -- well you have to make sure the OF won't
try to use a hardware device at the same time as the kernel, true.

>>> Finally, you can't have something as simple as powerpc's 
>>> get_property()
>>> (that just returns a pointer to the property content) with direct OF
>>> access unless you use some magic static buffer or some crap around
>>> those
>>> lines, or add passing of a buffer in, so from a driver pointer of 
>>> view,
>>> the interface provided by powerpc/sparc is nicer.
>>
>> But since you have a _put() function anyway, for your reference
>> counting, having magic (automatically allocated, not static of
>> course) buffers works just fine.
>
> You can maybe create an in-memory cache of all properties in a node 
> from
> whatever function that returns a node pointer and dispose of them on
> _put(), that would allow to keep the get_property semantics as-is with 
> a
> "live" tree, but I still don't see the point

I'm a bit concerned about the 100kB or so of data duplication
(on a *quite big* device tree), and the extra code you need
(all changes have to be done to both tree copies).  Maybe
I shouldn't be worried; still, it's obviously not a great
idea to *require* any arch to get and keep a full copy of
the tree -- it's wasteful and unnecessary.


Segher


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-02 21:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-31  1:38 [PATCH] Open Firmware device tree virtual filesystem Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31  5:19 ` David Miller
2006-12-31  9:36   ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31  9:52     ` David Miller
2006-12-31 10:11     ` David Kahn
2006-12-31 10:49       ` David Miller
2006-12-31 11:47         ` Rene Rebe
2006-12-31 11:53         ` David Kahn
2007-01-01  3:48           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:56           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 18:43             ` Richard Smith
2006-12-31 15:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-31 20:46           ` David Miller
2007-01-01  3:37             ` David Kahn
2007-01-01  8:54               ` David Miller
2007-01-02  4:02               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:28                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  3:33           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  8:57             ` David Miller
2007-01-01 17:48               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 23:08                 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 23:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:31                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:26                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  1:40                   ` David Kahn
2007-01-02  3:36                     ` David Miller
2007-01-01 18:10               ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-01 19:21                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02  4:05               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  4:30                 ` David Miller
2007-01-02  4:57                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  5:01                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02  5:09                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  5:44                         ` David Miller
2007-01-02 12:36                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 11:03                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:53     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:22       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:12         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:28           ` Segher Boessenkool [this message]
2007-01-02 21:32             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:40               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 22:10                 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:05             ` David Miller
2007-01-03  0:48               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:34                 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 15:23                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-04  2:15                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02  3:45   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  3:49     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:45     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-31 13:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-12-31 18:55   ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31 14:12 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-31 20:45   ` David Miller
2006-12-31 21:30     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02  3:43     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 11:37       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 13:22         ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-02 20:08         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 20:11           ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-02 20:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:37               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:47                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03  0:35                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  0:44                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03  1:14                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:35                         ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:07                 ` David Miller
2007-01-03  0:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  1:13                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-03  4:38                       ` David Miller
2007-01-03  5:05                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03 15:59                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 15:31                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:34                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 21:15           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:59             ` David Miller
2007-01-01  3:40   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  4:21 ` Segher Boessenkool
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-01-11 17:39 ron minnich
2007-01-11 17:53 ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-11 17:55   ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 18:36     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 18:20 ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-11 18:47   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 19:12     ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 19:11   ` ron minnich

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