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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
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	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
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	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: pci: skip probing VFs if driver doesn't support VFs
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2025 23:14:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bba17237-2401-4e9b-912b-29d31af748e1@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251002210433.GH3299207@nvidia.com>

On 10/2/25 11:04 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 09:36:17PM +0200, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
>> If we want to obtain the driver's private data from a device outside the scope
>> of bus callbacks, we always need to ensure that the device is guaranteed to be
>> bound and we also need to prove the type of the private data, since a device
>> structure can't be generic over its bound driver.
> 
> pci_iov_get_pf_drvdata() does both of these things - this is what it
> is for. Please don't open code it :(

It makes no sense to use it, both of those things will be ensured in a more
generic way in the base device implementation already (which is what I meant
with layering).

Both requirements are not specific to PCI, or the specific VF -> PF use-case.

In order to guarantee soundness both of those things have to be guaranteed for
any access to the driver's private data.

I will send some patches soon, I think this will make it obvious. :)
>>> Certain conditions may be workable, some drivers seem to have
>>> preferences not to call disable, though I think that is wrong :\
>>
>> I fully agree! I was told that this is because apparently some PF drivers are
>> only loaded to enable SR-IOV and then removed to shrink the potential attack
>> surface. Personally, I think that's slightly paranoid, if the driver would not
>> do anything else than enable / disable SR-IOV, but I think we can work around
>> this use-case if people really want it.
> 
> I've heard worse reasons than that. If that is the interest I'd
> suggest they should just use VFIO and leave a userspace stub
> process..

I'm not sure I follow your proposal, can you elaborate?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-02 21:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-02  2:00 [PATCH v2 0/2] rust: pci: don't probe() VFs in nova-core John Hubbard
2025-10-02  2:00 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] rust: pci: skip probing VFs if driver doesn't support VFs John Hubbard
2025-10-02 11:49   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 12:11   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 12:18     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 12:39       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 13:03         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 13:56           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 15:11             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 15:23               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 16:05                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 17:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 17:37                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 17:40                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 17:49                         ` John Hubbard
2025-10-02 18:05                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 18:09                             ` John Hubbard
2025-10-02 18:32                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 18:17                             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 18:31                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 18:42                                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 18:56                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 19:36                                     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 21:04                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 21:14                                         ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-10-02 21:32                                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02 23:40                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-03  0:57                                               ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-03 11:52                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 17:56                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-02 18:55                         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-10-02  2:00 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] gpu: nova-core: declare that VFs are not (yet) supported John Hubbard

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