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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Peter Huewe <peterhuewe@gmx.de>,
	Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ilias Apalodimas <ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org>,
	Jens Wiklander <jens.wiklander@linaro.org>,
	OP-TEE TrustedFirmware <op-tee@lists.trustedfirmware.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [PATCH] hwrng: tpm: Do not enable by default
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 14:46:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bbc41534-a2d9-42dc-ac8a-ff8a0b4fd41f@siemens.com> (raw)

From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>

As seen with optee_ftpm, which uses ms-tpm-20-ref [1], a TPM may write
the current time epoch to its NV storage every 4 seconds if there are
commands sent to it. The 60 seconds periodic update of the entropy pool
that the hwrng kthread does triggers this, causing about 4 writes per
requests. Makes 2 millions per year for a 24/7 device, and that is a lot
for its backing NV storage.

It is therefore better to make the user intentionally enable this,
providing a chance to read the warning.

[1] https://github.com/Microsoft/ms-tpm-20-ref

Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
---
 drivers/char/tpm/Kconfig | 8 ++++++--
 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/drivers/char/tpm/Kconfig b/drivers/char/tpm/Kconfig
index 8a8f692b6088..d64c929cacbe 100644
--- a/drivers/char/tpm/Kconfig
+++ b/drivers/char/tpm/Kconfig
@@ -45,13 +45,17 @@ config TCG_TPM2_HMAC
 config HW_RANDOM_TPM
 	bool "TPM HW Random Number Generator support"
 	depends on TCG_TPM && HW_RANDOM && !(TCG_TPM=y && HW_RANDOM=m)
-	default y
 	help
 	  This setting exposes the TPM's Random Number Generator as a hwrng
 	  device. This allows the kernel to collect randomness from the TPM at
 	  boot, and provides the TPM randomines in /dev/hwrng.
 
-	  If unsure, say Y.
+	  WARNING: Specifically firmware-based TPMs, possibly also hardware
+	  variants, can wear-out from the frequent requests issued by the
+	  Hardware Random Number Generator Core when filling the kernel's
+	  entropy pool. These requests are sent once every minute by default,
+	  and the TPM may write the current time to its NV storage for each of
+	  them.
 
 config TCG_TIS_CORE
 	tristate
-- 
2.51.0

             reply	other threads:[~2025-10-21 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-21 12:46 Jan Kiszka [this message]
2025-10-21 16:15 ` [PATCH] hwrng: tpm: Do not enable by default James Bottomley
2025-10-22  5:05   ` Jan Kiszka
2025-10-27 19:51 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-10-28  5:46   ` Jan Kiszka
2025-11-09  4:43     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2025-11-09 10:04       ` Jan Kiszka

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