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From: daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 06:27:44 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bhkit0$nu1$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20030815202235.GB13384@speare5-1-14

Val Henson  wrote:
>If entropy(x) == entropy(y), then:
>
>entropy(x) >= entropy(x xor y)
>entropy(y) >= entropy(x xor y)

No, that's still wrong.  Please see my earlier email with a counterexample.
That counterexample disproves not only the earlier claim, but also this more
recent revised claim.

Let x and y be two 80-bit strings.  Assume that x is either 0 or 1
(equal probability for both possibilities).  Assume y is either 0 or 2
(equal probability for both possibilities), and is independent of x.  Then
  entropy(x) = 1 bit
  entropy(y) = 1 bit
  entropy(x xor y) = 2 bits

Again, I believe there is little basis to distinguish between taking the
first half of SHA vs. xor-ing both the halves of SHA.  One can come up with
scenarios where one or the other is better, but there is little basis for
believing that one of those scenarios is especially more likely than the
other.

In short, we're arguing about how many angels can fit on a pinhead.
There are far better things to be worrying about.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-08-16  6:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-09  7:44 [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Matt Mackall
2003-08-09  8:04 ` David S. Miller
2003-08-09 14:05   ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 17:39     ` David S. Miller
2003-08-09 19:46       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 20:17         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  8:15           ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  8:32             ` virt_to_offset() (Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?) YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10  8:30               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  9:02                 ` virt_to_offset() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-11 18:21                   ` virt_to_offset() David Mosberger
2003-08-12  2:46                     ` virt_to_offset() David S. Miller
2003-08-10  9:05                 ` virt_to_offset() (Re: [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional?) Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  9:04                   ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 11:00                     ` [PATCH 1/9] introduce virt_to_pagoff() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:00                     ` [PATCH 2/9] convert crypto to virt_to_pageoff() YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:05                     ` [PATCH 3/9] convert net " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:07                     ` [PATCH 4/9] convert drivers/block " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:09                     ` [PATCH 5/9] convert drivers/ide " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 6/9] convert drivers/net " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 7/9] convert drivers/scsi " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:31                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 11:51                         ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 12:03                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 14:54                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 14:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-10 13:54                         ` Russell King
2003-08-10 13:55                         ` Russell King
2003-08-10 14:55                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-08-11  5:21                           ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 8/9] convert drivers/usb " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-10 11:10                     ` [PATCH 9/9] convert fs/jbd " YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-08-11  2:15             ` [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  2:38               ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  4:54               ` David S. Miller
2003-08-11  5:17                 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13  5:01                 ` [Numbers][PATCH] " Matt Mackall
2003-08-10 14:46           ` [RFC][PATCH] " James Morris
2003-08-09 14:33 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-09 17:13   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-09 17:33     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10 13:18       ` James Morris
2003-08-10 17:45         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  2:09           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  2:35             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  4:59               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  5:04                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  5:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  5:54                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-11  6:24                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11  4:58             ` David Wagner
2003-08-11  5:36               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-11 19:21                 ` David Wagner
2003-08-13 19:37                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13  3:52             ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-13 15:44               ` i810_rng.o on various Dell models Jim Carter
2003-08-13 16:15                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-08-13 18:43                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-13 18:36               ` [RFC][PATCH] Make cryptoapi non-optional? Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:16                 ` Network Card Entropy? was: " Mike Fedyk
2003-08-15  0:22                   ` Robert Love
2003-08-13  3:20           ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-13  4:06             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-14 16:53               ` Val Henson
2003-08-14 19:40                 ` David Wagner
2003-08-14 20:07                   ` Chris Friesen
2003-08-14 21:36                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:25                     ` Val Henson
2003-08-15 11:47                       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15  0:17                   ` Val Henson
2003-08-15  1:45                     ` David Wagner
2003-08-15  2:21                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15  7:30                     ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15  7:40                       ` David S. Miller
2003-08-15  7:55                         ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15  8:06                           ` Måns Rullgård
2003-08-15  8:11                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-15 15:11                             ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 22:16                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 20:22                           ` Val Henson
2003-08-16  6:27                             ` David Wagner [this message]
2003-08-18  4:25                               ` Val Henson
2003-08-15  8:09                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-15 15:03                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 17:04                         ` Andries Brouwer
2003-08-15 22:05                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 22:02                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 12:48                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-15 22:34                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-15 22:12               ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-15 23:35                 ` James Morris
2003-08-16 15:51                   ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-17 14:37                     ` James Morris
2003-08-17 15:30                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-15 23:55                 ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  0:05                   ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-16  0:58                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-16  4:57                       ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  4:38                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-16  5:03                       ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-16  5:39                         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-18  6:43                       ` Andreas Dilger
2003-08-18  6:55                         ` David Lang
2003-08-18 11:59                           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 12:11                             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-08-18 13:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 17:03                             ` David Lang
2003-08-18 17:51                               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-22  4:28                           ` David Wagner
2003-08-25  4:29                             ` Jamie Lokier
2003-08-18 15:20                         ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-18  3:23                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-08-18 15:46                     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  2:07   ` Robert Love
2003-08-10  3:14     ` Matt Mackall
2003-08-10  3:49       ` David S. Miller
2003-08-10  4:01         ` Robert Love
2003-08-10  4:07           ` Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-08-16 20:40 Adam J. Richter
2003-08-17  4:28 ` Matt Mackall

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