From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module
Date: 21 Oct 2003 19:24:20 GMT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bn4154$i74$1@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3F8E8101.70009@pobox.com
In article <3F8E8101.70009@pobox.com>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com> wrote:
| In this case, there is no such requirement. More below.
If the result is used for crypto that is a requirement, as noted in the
original post. See below. And if it's in a shared library it's subject
to various other attempts at control or duplication of results.
|
|
| > But it's really a matter of taste. That's why I bring up the subject here.
|
|
| Processors are trending towards putting RNG on the CPU. VIA won't be
| the last, I predict. When generating random bits is a single
| instruction, "xstore", userspace applications _should_ be directly using
| this. It should not be in-kernel. And similarly, if there is no
| requirement that the kernel's entropy pool is used, the userspace
| application _should_ be where the implementation lives.
If you are running multiple threads you may really want some independent
random numbers. Looking at this, I believe that if I open the device and
then various threads read blocks from the device, each will get
independent random numbers.
Take this as "there are benefits to having this in the kernel" and not
"this really should be in the kernel." A contribution to the discussion.
What I don't hear is results from testing, from doing this as a
procedure, etc.
--
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-10-21 19:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-10-16 8:22 [RFC] frandom - fast random generator module Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 8:36 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 10:20 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 10:48 ` Nick Piggin
2003-10-16 11:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 12:27 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 15:10 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 16:20 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 16:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 18:18 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-10-16 19:31 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:40 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 21:03 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 23:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-17 0:34 ` David Wagner
2003-10-16 17:45 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 18:38 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 19:08 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 20:27 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-16 20:37 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 17:31 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:03 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 23:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-10-16 23:13 ` Matt Mackall
2003-10-16 23:35 ` jw schultz
2003-10-21 19:24 ` bill davidsen [this message]
2003-10-21 19:55 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:21 ` Helge Hafting
2003-10-21 22:18 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22 1:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 19:17 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-21 21:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-21 22:08 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-22 1:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-10-22 2:56 ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 16:22 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-23 2:46 ` Dale Farnsworth
2003-10-23 3:22 ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-23 14:15 ` Kent Borg
2003-10-24 17:37 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-24 17:54 ` Theodore Ts'o
2003-10-24 20:59 ` David Wagner
2003-10-24 21:33 ` jw schultz
2003-10-22 3:49 ` Sandy Harris
2003-10-16 10:45 ` Ingo Oeser
2003-10-21 19:30 ` bill davidsen
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[not found] ` <Hjkw.3Al.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-10-16 17:46 ` David Mosberger-Tang
2003-10-16 19:28 ` Eli Billauer
2003-10-16 20:42 ` Andreas Dilger
2003-10-21 19:46 ` bill davidsen
2003-10-16 21:30 ` Matt Mackall
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