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From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: partially encrypted filesystem
Date: 3 Dec 2003 23:20:24 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bqlr3o$khe$1@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.53.0312031627440.3725@chaos

In article <Pine.LNX.4.53.0312031627440.3725@chaos>,
Richard B. Johnson <root@chaos.analogic.com> wrote:
| On Wed, 3 Dec 2003, Kallol Biswas wrote:
| 
| >
| > Hello,
| >       We have a requirement that a filesystem has to support
| > encryption based on some policy. The filesystem also should be able
| > to store data in non-encrypted form. A search on web shows a few
| > encrypted filesystems like "Crypto" from Suse Linux, but we need a
| > system  where encryption will be a choice per file. We have a hardware
| > controller to apply encryption algorithm. If a filesystem provides hooks
| > to use a hardware controller to do the encryption work then the cpu can
| > be freed from doing the extra work.
| >
| > Any comment on this?
| >
| > Kallol
| > NucleoDyne Systems.
| > nucleon@nucleodyne.com
| > 408-718-8164
| 
| I think you just need your application to encrypt data where needed.
| Or to read/write to an encrypted file-system which always encrypts.
| You really don't want policy inside the kernel.
| 
| Let's say you decided to ignore me and do it anyway. The file-systems
| are a bunch of inodes. Every time you want to read or write one, something
| has to decide if it's encrypted and, if it is, how to encrypt or
| decrypt it. Even the length of the required read or write becomes
| dependent upon the type of encryption being used. Surely you don't
| want to use an algorithm where a N-byte string gets encoded into a
| N-byte string because to do so gives away the length, from which
| one can derive other aspects, resulting in discovering the true content.
| So, you need variable-length inodes --- what a mess. The result
| would be one of the slowest file-systems you could devise.
| 
| Encrypted file-systems, where you encrypt everything that goes
| on the media work. Making something that could be either/or,
| while possible, is not likely going to be very satisfying.

Well said. This isn't the way to do it as you say, although you could
add an O_CRYPTO flag to creat() if you really wanted to.


Crypto in the program is definitely the better solution.
-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-03 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-03 21:07 partially encrypted filesystem Kallol Biswas
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-03 23:20   ` bill davidsen [this message]
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04  0:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  1:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-04  2:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  3:59       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-12-04  2:37     ` Charles Manning
2003-12-04 14:17     ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 15:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 16:07         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 17:26         ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 18:20           ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 18:40             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 19:41             ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 11:20               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 16:16                 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 19:14                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 19:47                     ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 20:28                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 21:38                         ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  0:15                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-06  1:35                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  2:39                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-06 11:43                             ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-07  0:04                               ` Shaya Potter
2003-12-08 14:08                               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-06  0:50                         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-08 11:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:44                             ` phillip
2003-12-08 14:07                               ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-10  1:16                               ` [OT?]Re: " Charles Manning
2003-12-10 17:45                                 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-09 23:40                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  0:07                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-10  1:28                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  2:13                               ` Charles Manning
2003-12-05 19:58                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-08 11:28             ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:49               ` phillip
2003-12-04 19:18           ` David Wagner
2003-12-05 13:02             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 17:28               ` Frank v Waveren
2003-12-05 23:59               ` David Wagner
2003-12-19 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-04  3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-04 18:16 ` Hans Reiser
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-12-06 19:56 Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 22:07 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-10  3:22 Valient Gough

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