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From: daw@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: partially encrypted filesystem
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:59:20 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bqr64o$coa$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20031205130202.GA31855@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de

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Jörn Engel  wrote:
>On Thu, 4 December 2003 19:18:26 +0000, David Wagner wrote:
>> What?  No.  Modern cryptosystems are designed to be secure against
>> known plaintext attacks.  Making your system more convoluted merely to
>> avoid providing known plaintext is a lousy design approach: the extra
>> complexity usually adds more risk than it removes.
>
>All cryptosystems are designed around the hope that noone figures out
>how to break them.  Many smart people trying and failing to do so
>gives a good general feeling, but nothing more.  It remains hope.

What's your point?  Nothing you are saying contradicts my conclusion.
I'll repeat my point: adding extra complexity adds more risk than it
takes away.  Sure, maybe you reduce the risk of a cryptographic failure
a teeny little bit by avoiding known plaintext, but doing so generally
makes the system more convoluted and hard to understand and maintain,
and *that* generally increases the risk of a security failure more than
enough to counterbalance any gains.

Basic principle: All else being equal, it's generally a good idea to
put more effort into defending against the more likely failure modes,
and less effort into less likely failures.

What are the chances that AES gets broken in the next 10 years?
Pretty small, I believe.  What are the chances that there is a bug
in the encrypting filesystem software that is discovered at some point
in the next 10 years?  Considerably higher.  So, focus on the software.
Complexity is your enemy.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-12-06  0:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-03 21:07 partially encrypted filesystem Kallol Biswas
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-12-03 23:20   ` bill davidsen
2003-12-03 21:44 ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04  0:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  1:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-12-04  2:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04  3:59       ` H. Peter Anvin
2003-12-04  2:37     ` Charles Manning
2003-12-04 14:17     ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 15:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-04 16:07         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 17:26         ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 18:20           ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-04 18:40             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-04 19:41             ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 11:20               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 16:16                 ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 19:14                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 19:47                     ` Erez Zadok
2003-12-05 20:28                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-12-05 21:38                         ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  0:15                         ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-06  1:35                           ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06  2:39                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-06 11:43                             ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-07  0:04                               ` Shaya Potter
2003-12-08 14:08                               ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-06  0:50                         ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-08 11:37                           ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:44                             ` phillip
2003-12-08 14:07                               ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-10  1:16                               ` [OT?]Re: " Charles Manning
2003-12-10 17:45                                 ` Phillip Lougher
2003-12-09 23:40                             ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  0:07                             ` Pavel Machek
2003-12-10  1:28                               ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-10  2:13                               ` Charles Manning
2003-12-05 19:58                     ` Pat LaVarre
2003-12-08 11:28             ` David Woodhouse
2003-12-08 13:49               ` phillip
2003-12-04 19:18           ` David Wagner
2003-12-05 13:02             ` Jörn Engel
2003-12-05 17:28               ` Frank v Waveren
2003-12-05 23:59               ` David Wagner [this message]
2003-12-19 15:01     ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-04  3:10 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-12-04 18:16 ` Hans Reiser
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2003-12-06 19:56 Pat LaVarre
2003-12-06 22:07 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-10  3:22 Valient Gough

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