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From: "Mika Penttilä" <mpenttil@redhat.com>
To: Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>, linux-mm@kvack.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Migrate on fault for device pages
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 14:44:54 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c629f600-94c9-4cda-990c-83e429a2b9a1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e57cfe5e-2031-422f-9c50-f5a03a467cb3@nvidia.com>


On 8/15/25 14:36, Balbir Singh wrote:

> On 8/14/25 17:19, Mika Penttilä wrote:
>> As of this writing, the way device page faulting and migration
>> works is not optimal, if you want to do both fault handling
>> and migration at once.
>>
>> Being able to migrate not present pages (or pages mapped with incorrect
>> permissions, eg. COW) to the GPU requires doing either of the following
>> sequences:
>>
>> 1. hmm_range_fault() - fault in non-present pages with correct
>>    permissions,etc.
>> 2. migrate_vma_*() - migrate the pages
>>
>> Or:
>>
>> 1. migrate_vma_*() - migrate present pages
>> 2. If non-present pages detected by migrate_vma_*():
>>    a) call hmm_range_fault() to fault pages in
>>    b) call migrate_vma_*() again to migrate now present pages
>>
>> The problem with the first sequence is that you always have to do two
>> page walks even when most of the time the pages are present or zero page
>> mappings so the common case takes a performance hit.
>>
>> The second sequence is better for the common case, but far worse if
>> pages aren't present because now you have to walk the page tables three
>> times (once to find the page is not present, once so hmm_range_fault()
>> can find a non-present page to fault in and once again to setup the
>> migration). It also tricky to code correctly.
>>
>> We should be able to walk the page table once, faulting
>> pages in as required and replacing them with migration entries if
>> requested.
>>
> The use case makes sense to me, but isn't the sequence always going
> to be racy, by the time the pages are faulted in, there could be
> others that have been marked non-present or do you intend to lock
> all pages during this operation?
>
> Balbir

Yes the pages are "collected", so locked and ref taken as soon as faulted in.

--Mika

>


      reply	other threads:[~2025-08-15 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-14  7:19 [RFC PATCH 0/4] Migrate on fault for device pages Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14  7:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] mm: use current as mmu notifier's owner Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14 12:40   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 12:53     ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14 13:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 13:20         ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14 14:11           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 17:00             ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14 17:20               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-08-14 17:45                 ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-15  5:23                   ` Alistair Popple
2025-08-15  7:11                     ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-19  4:27                       ` Balbir Singh
2025-08-19  4:33                         ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14  7:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] mm: unified fault and migrate device page paths Mika Penttilä
2025-08-21  4:30   ` Balbir Singh
2025-08-21  5:10     ` Mika Penttilä
2025-08-22  5:02       ` Alistair Popple
2025-08-14  7:19 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] mm:/migrate_device.c: remove migrate_vma_collect_*() functions Mika Penttilä
2025-08-14  7:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] mm: add new testcase for the migrate on fault case Mika Penttilä
2025-08-15 11:36 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Migrate on fault for device pages Balbir Singh
2025-08-15 11:44   ` Mika Penttilä [this message]

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